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  • BigDaddy

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    Feb 7, 2014
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    I thought AKs are dummy proof and built for idiots.

    You have to reload every once in a while. These guys don't kill everyone, they want witnesses too.

    There was some talk that these were "deactivated" weapons. I don't know if that is the same as our dewat or some lesser procedure. Or that could have just been anti-gun talk without factual basis.
     

    rdc

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 3, 2010
    3,690
    Middlefingurton
    Could have been using a 50year old beat to sh!t rifle. Could have had smuggled surplus ammo that spen time in the bottom of a flooded basement. Could have had sh!t magazines.
    OR you could have had a guy firing away on full auto and not realized he was empty. Take any firearm and put it in the hands of a novice and tell them to start firing away. Good chance they will continue to try and fire after empty.
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    50,123
    Could have been using a 50year old beat to sh!t rifle. Could have had smuggled surplus ammo that spen time in the bottom of a flooded basement. Could have had sh!t magazines.
    OR you could have had a guy firing away on full auto and not realized he was empty. Take any firearm and out it in the hands of a novice and tell the to start firing away. Good chance they will continue to try and fire after empty.

    I know, right? There are a million reasons for a gun to fail...there's only one reason for it not to....
     

    ken792

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 2, 2011
    4,491
    Fairfax, VA
    I believe that he try to say the combatant put the gun on safety. For the ammo, beside Wolf what else can you buy in Brussell?

    In Europe, deactivated firearms are common because people happen to like collecting guns, but their governments won't let them have functional ones. The standards to which they're deactivated depend on where and when it was done. European countries don't regulate firearm receivers like we do in the US. Often, they only care about barrels and bolts.

    I've seen pictures of deactivated AK's in Finland where only the barrel (welded and drilled) and bolt (face ground at an angle) are deactivated. It would not be too difficult to smuggle in functioning barrels and bolts from the US to reactivate them. Because of that, some countries have set stricter standards, such as cutting locking lugs and receiver rings or heavier welding. Since 1995, the UK has essentially required deacts to be welded solid.
    http://dwsuk.org/epages/057184c7-2f...e87657239/Categories/Deactivated_Weapons__FAQ

    These pictures show what is required by law in Germany. All you need is a new barrel, bolt, and possibly trigger group if you can't cut and clean up the welds.
    http://www.zib-militaria.de/AK47-wood-stock-ex-Poland-deactivated-assault-rifle

    Obviously, reactivating these is a lot easier than it is to build an AK in the US from a parts kit, but it's still possible to screw it up, especially if done by individuals with limited technical knowledge.
     

    Sirex

    Powered by natural gas
    Oct 30, 2010
    10,453
    Westminster, MD
    1. Who knows what AK they got, how old it was, and maybe it was some cobbled together piece of crap they swiped off the battlefield and smuggled into France. Probably not a new Arsenal or Vepr.
    2. Could have been just out of ammo. No bolt hold open, adrenaline manic behavior, may have just had an empty chamber, pulled the trigger, got a click, and tried to work the charging handle in a panic.
    3. Bad ammo. You guys have seen the video of the guys loading the ammo in the shack in the middle east, right? OR, they were using Remington Golden bullets.
    4. Or the lady had someone watching over her?
     

    AssMan

    Meh...
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 27, 2011
    16,523
    Somewhere on the James River, VA
    You have to reload every once in a while. These guys don't kill everyone, they want witnesses too.



    There was some talk that these were "deactivated" weapons. I don't know if that is the same as our dewat or some lesser procedure. Or that could have just been anti-gun talk without factual basis.


    That's what I thought might be the case...Rewat's.

    But I don't think these guys are highly trained either.


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    SlowShooter

    SeaWaves not TigerStripes
    Dec 28, 2011
    390
    Silver Spring, MD
    In Europe, deactivated firearms are common because people happen to like collecting guns, but their governments won't let them have functional ones. The standards to which they're deactivated depend on where and when it was done. European countries don't regulate firearm receivers like we do in the US. Often, they only care about barrels and bolts.

    I've seen pictures of deactivated AK's in Finland where only the barrel (welded and drilled) and bolt (face ground at an angle) are deactivated. It would not be too difficult to smuggle in functioning barrels and bolts from the US to reactivate them. Because of that, some countries have set stricter standards, such as cutting locking lugs and receiver rings or heavier welding. Since 1995, the UK has essentially required deacts to be welded solid.
    http://dwsuk.org/epages/057184c7-2f...e87657239/Categories/Deactivated_Weapons__FAQ

    These pictures show what is required by law in Germany. All you need is a new barrel, bolt, and possibly trigger group if you can't cut and clean up the welds.
    http://www.zib-militaria.de/AK47-wood-stock-ex-Poland-deactivated-assault-rifle

    Obviously, reactivating these is a lot easier than it is to build an AK in the US from a parts kit, but it's still possible to screw it up, especially if done by individuals with limited technical knowledge.

    Very interesting INFO!
     

    SlowShooter

    SeaWaves not TigerStripes
    Dec 28, 2011
    390
    Silver Spring, MD
    I has ebonics but I not has opinions on AK. It double tap and triple tap for real?

    I mean the AK fires in bust of 2 or more rounds every time I pull the trigger. It real fun but not allow at the range on Plant Road (Cryptsharp Range I believe). To fix it, I have to file the trigger sear and replace trigger spring and recoil spring.
     

    SlowShooter

    SeaWaves not TigerStripes
    Dec 28, 2011
    390
    Silver Spring, MD
    1. Who knows what AK they got, how old it was, and maybe it was some cobbled together piece of crap they swiped off the battlefield and smuggled into France. Probably not a new Arsenal or Vepr.
    2. Could have been just out of ammo. No bolt hold open, adrenaline manic behavior, may have just had an empty chamber, pulled the trigger, got a click, and tried to work the charging handle in a panic.
    3. Bad ammo. You guys have seen the video of the guys loading the ammo in the shack in the middle east, right? OR, they were using Remington Golden bullets.
    4. Or the lady had someone watching over her?

    I like the divine factor. It happens a couple of days ago in New Orleans. A medical student was saved because the Tech-9 malfunctioned.
     

    SlowShooter

    SeaWaves not TigerStripes
    Dec 28, 2011
    390
    Silver Spring, MD
    I don't believe that the Daesh's AK had a failure {due to malfunction} to fire outside that Paris restaurant {although it could have happened}. He possibly ran out of ammo, or decided not to shoot them --- Though I've jammed two of my AK's twice, by pulling the charging handle half-assed back, too see if I had a live round in the chamber --- Instead of ejecting the live round out of the ejection port, the live round ejected into the lower half of the receiver and lodged in the trigger group; thusly jamming the trigger --- Field stripping is the only remedy, for that type of jam.

    My AK's are outfitted with the Tapco trigger group...that does have a tendency to bumpfire, unless the trigger is pressed all the way back, as opposed to leaving my trigger finger resting on the trigger; just after the sear breaks.

    This is a very good INFO for all AK owners including me. The bumpfire I experience a few years back caused by weak mainspring.
     

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