Primary Arms Scopes

[chale127]

Looking at this which is to be released sometime this week to finally top my Savage 10FP-SR

The BIGGEST draw for me is the Price point, I DON'T have the cash for say a Nikon M-308 ($500 range) or others (more) and I have already put off shooting this rifle for almost 2 years, I want to throw rounds down range

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_with_308_p/pa4-14xffp308.htm

I know their Red Dots are pretty great Bang for your buck items, I was wondering if others here have some of their other scope offerings other than the Red Dots

 

[navyis2]

I don't have the 308 of the scope but i do have the ffp duplex reticle. I like it for what it is. It hold zero on my grendel. The glass is good and clear. It definitely isnt as bright as the top dollar stuff, but work just fine for what it is.
EDIT MIL MIL Sorry. Teaches me to read and type at the same time.

 

[kstone803]

I've been wondering the same thing myself but with the 4x14 mil dot.

 

[chale127]

Thanks! I did read they hold and return to zero well, and another review I read the reviewer said the glass seemed a little "dirty" compared to higher end glass but not to an extent that would hinder anything except very long distance shooting (which is not what I plan to be doing)

 

[erwos]

For the price you pay, they can be pretty good to fantastic. And PA has great customer service. In general, the newer products have better glass than the older ones - the 1-6x ACSS scope, for instance, is almost infamously better than the old 1-4x.

The new prism scopes, in particular, are phenomenal. The glass is very comparable to an ACOG, and the reticle is amazing. And, yes, I compared my 2.5x PA to my TA01NSN side by side - the PA 2.5x was a bit worse in clarity, but almost inconsequentially.

 

[armed ferret]

I don't have the 308 of the scope but i do have the ffp duplex reticle. I like it for what it is. It hold zero on my grendel. The glass is good and clear. It definitely isnt as bright as the top dollar stuff, but work just fine for what it is.

FFP duplex?

why would you need FFP with a standard crosshair? it's not like you're ranging with it.

 

[navyis2]

Sorry, meant mil mil. I was just reading about this vixen duplex scope while typing before. realistically even in mil mil FFP isn't too important. I don't do any ranging with the scope anyways, but it was the only setup they had in stock at the time, and it was only $220 shipped with the coupon they were running.

 

[clandestine]

Great budget scopes. Do not trust them to keep water out, not fog up bad, or take abuse. They are range optics. Not something for a competition that gets thrown in a barrel, defensive rig that gets banged around, or a trunk gun.

 

[chale127]

Great budget scopes. Do not trust them to keep water out, not fog up bad, or take abuse. They are range optics. Not something for a competition that gets thrown in a barrel, defensive rig that gets banged around, or a trunk gun.

Precisely what I'm in the market for, Thanks Chad, I trust your opinion, if my shooting needs with this Weapons System progress, I'll upgrade accordingly

 

[BradMacc82]

If your interested, may have something you can use in the interim chale127.

 

[chale127]

If your interested, may have something you can use in the interim chale127.

Thanks! I responded to your PM

 

[Pinecone]

Personally I would not get any scope reticle that has drops or wind corrections built in. They will only be good for one set of conditions. One load, one set of temp/pressure/altitude.

If they make that same scope with another reticle, combined with target turrets, that is what I would go with.

Like this one. And even cheaper:

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_p/pa4-14xffp.htm

And this one is a surprisingly good scope for the price. It is not like other BSA scopes. I have heard they are NOT made by BSA, but possibly Falcon or Primary Arms. Could even be the same scope as my link above.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/45...il-adjustments-first-focal-mrad-reticle-matte

 

[armed ferret]

Personally I would not get any scope reticle that has drops or wind corrections built in. They will only be good for one set of conditions. One load, one set of temp/pressure/altitude.

You should probably look up "milliradian" and how it applies to reticles before claiming all reticles are only for a single load or weather condition.

 

[BradMacc82]

Those look like Falcon bodies, with a diff't style of turret though. Falcon uses a similar looking turret, but it is retained by 3 grub screws, instead of the one hex screw on top of the turret.

Ask me how I know this...


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[Whitey]

I finally was able to grab one of the PA 1-6 variable power scopes with the ACSS reticle from the last batch that was available.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_1_6X_Scope_with_Patented_ACSS_Reticle_p/paps1-6x.htm

I have not had a chance to take it out to the range yet but have found the ACSS reticle pretty easy to bring on target. Glass is very clear in my opinion. I got turned on the PA branded scopes through AR15.com and have used one of their red dots for over a year and it seems durable enough for my casual use. Granted, it is not an Aimpoint.

PA put a nice little video on YouTube on the scope you are looking at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMXsBShNtQ

I bought on the recommendations of others on AR15.com and YouTube and was not disappointed. Just remember that you can't beat the living crap outta the thing and expect it to hold zero. PA products are a great deal for what you get and PA's customer service and speed of shipping are fantastic. I always check them first when I'm looking for something.

-Whitey

 

[photoracer]

I have one of the Midway BSA scopes and I like it. I originally bought it for use on a .22 trainer. I have put it on everything from some of my .22s to my .308 bolt gun. I generally use it as a first scope on a build although I did use it on top of my 3-gun AR to get a good finish in a Precision/Tactical match at PNTC once. It was replaced on my .308 bolt gun with a Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50. It was replaced on my 6.8mm AR with a Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44.

 

[Blazin]

I'm running a PA 1-6x on my 3-gun upper with no issues, but for precision shooting (if I were you) I'd wait for SWFA's SS scope sale on Black Friday. It's a sale that's worth the wait and you can get a kick ass scope for under $300.

 

[erwos]

Personally I would not get any scope reticle that has drops or wind corrections built in. They will only be good for one set of conditions. One load, one set of temp/pressure/altitude.

This isn't actually true. You simply need to know what the BDC marks correspond to on other loads. A good example is the PA 2.5x optic:
http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_2_5X_Compact_Scope_PAC2_5X_p/pac2.5x.htm

Look at the pictures of the reticle. The "koala of death" works intuitively with a bunch of loads, including 115gr 9mm. Remember, most BDC scopes are about shooting fast and hitting man-sized targets, not about putting in tiny little groups... as long as the BDC is close, you're generally alright.

Now, you might complain that your load doesn't match up quite as nice. In that case, use a cheat sheet... you know, like all the guys with mil-mil scopes do. I am totally sold on using FFP BDC scopes, and wouldn't mount anything else on a fighting rifle. I'd save the mil scopes for a bench gun or other such range toy.

 

[slybarman]

I have the Gen 2 1-6x as well. Seems decently made from what I can tell. It is my first magnified optic though and is taking some getting used to. Up close, I haven't found it to be as fast or accurate as my Eotech, but I am sure that is 95% user induced.

 

[Kingjamez]

This isn't actually true. You simply need to know what the BDC marks correspond to on other loads. A good example is the PA 2.5x optic:
http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_2_5X_Compact_Scope_PAC2_5X_p/pac2.5x.htm

Look at the pictures of the reticle. The "koala of death" works intuitively with a bunch of loads, including 115gr 9mm. Remember, most BDC scopes are about shooting fast and hitting man-sized targets, not about putting in tiny little groups... as long as the BDC is close, you're generally alright.

Now, you might complain that your load doesn't match up quite as nice. In that case, use a cheat sheet... you know, like all the guys with mil-mil scopes do. I am totally sold on using FFP BDC scopes, and wouldn't mount anything else on a fighting rifle. I'd save the mil scopes for a bench gun or other such range toy.

You took the words out of my mouth. This is especially true with the reticle the ACSS "HUD" being talked about in this thread. Just like any "old" mil-hash reticle, you can always do the math and have your cheat sheet near by.

-Jim