VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!

[swinokur]

DC is about 69 square miles. The Federal enclave downtown is about 16 square miles. There's huge amounts of land that aren't part of that. DC is a lot more than just the downtown area. Thousands live in neighborhoods where carry would be no different than any other city.

 

[Indiana Jones]

Now THIS is some HAPPY NEWS!!!!!!!!!


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[Ragnar]

DC City Council Chairman Phil Mendelson's response to the decision: "Because of the District's unique national security concerns, the right to carry a firearm in public must be more heavily restricted than any place else in the nation. Four U.S. presidents have been assassinated by gunfire, and at least five others have been shot at, including Ronald Regan who was seriously wounded in 1981. Neither the Secret Service nor the Capitol Police will disclose all incidents where they have recovered firearms, but we do know that just two years ago someone hit the White House with gunfire, and there are frequent threats on the foreign diplomatic corps."

 

[Inigoes]

Good, let DC appeal

 

[Woodnickel]

Here we go.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/d...d9e9d0-15c5-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html

 

[dblas]

DC is not just any city. Most things in DC are near a school, embassy, secure facility, government agency building, or other sensitive facility. IMO a law that says that carry is only approved on may issue basis within 150 yards of a sensitive facility could very realistically pass muster on national security grounds, even under Strict scrutiny, yet restrict carry to 10-20% of DC (residential areas).

This is not just a logistical nightmare from a LEO point of view, but someone is probably burning the midnight oil drawing circles of various radii around sensitive areas to see how much of DC is left. The court didsay, restrictions on the right in sensitive places was presumptively constitutional.

When people say, surely the court will uphold carry in DC, remember, the Supreme Court restricts freedom of the press and assembly of their own front steps for security reasons.

I thought Chicago got burned for doing this with regards to gun ranges.

 

[Inigoes]

I thought Chicago got burned for doing this with regards to gun ranges.

The did.

 

[Woodnickel]

As a few folks here have said, they will play the sensitive area card:
District Police Chief Cathy Lanier testified at a congressional hearing on the District’s gun laws that the city is “filled with ‘sensitive places.’ Our laws should reflect that reality.”

 

[dblas]

The did.

Then DC would get burned for the same thing with carry I would think, and I wonder why no one has pushed the issue with regards to a dealer and a storefront? The only reason Sykes' office is in MPD headquarters is because he lost the lease on his previous place and everything else fails do to DC law.

 

[JC92]

I think DC will request a stay to allow them to craft a Carry Law, in the same manner that Illinois requested a stay last year for the same purpose. The recent court rulings clearly state that a complete ban on public carry will not survive any level of scrutiny.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

As a few folks here have said, they will play the sensitive area card:
District Police Chief Cathy Lanier testified at a congressional hearing on the District’s gun laws that the city is “filled with ‘sensitive places.’ Our laws should reflect that reality.”

No carrying within 500 yards of any Federal building, embassy, monument, museum, school, church, bar, or hospital should just about do it. Enjoy the 5' x 7' area where you can exercise your new rights.

Take heart, we'll still win in the end. We have tons upon tons of momentum behind us, but it's going to take a little more time.

 

[esqappellate]

If DC appeals to the DC Circuit, and the DC Circuit affirms, does that ruling apply to all federal jurisdictions?

No. All federal agencies can be sued in DC District Court on federal claims because of the venue provisions applicable to such suits, viz., all agencies are "found" in DC. But the D.C. Circuit is merely one of 12 circuits (counting the Federal Circuit) and all have the same standing. D.C. Circuit decision doesn't bind the 4th circuit for example (MD is in the 4th).

 

[Bob A]

DC City Council Chairman Phil Mendelson's response to the decision: "Because of the District's unique national security concerns, the right to carry a firearm in public must be more heavily restricted than any place else in the nation. Four U.S. presidents have been assassinated by gunfire, and at least five others have been shot at, including Ronald Regan who was seriously wounded in 1981. Neither the Secret Service nor the Capitol Police will disclose all incidents where they have recovered firearms, but we do know that just two years ago someone hit the White House with gunfire, and there are frequent threats on the foreign diplomatic corps."

I think Reagan was the only one fired upon in DC, except for Lincoln 150+ years ago.

White house is pretty much bulletproof.

Last threat I can recall against the foreign diplomatic community was an Iranian attempt to assassinate the Saudi ambassador. Then there was the Chilean secret service, blowing up Letelier, something like 30 years ago.

All pretty much ho-hum stuff. Still, nice to see the DC Council getting their panties wet.

 

[wbw2123]

There have been a few since Lincoln ,but Garfield was the only other until Regan that was shot in DC. He was killed in the 6th street railroad yard.

 

[MJD438]

No. All federal agencies can be sued in DC District Court on federal claims because of the venue provisions applicable to such suits, viz., all agencies are "found" in DC. But the D.C. Circuit is merely one of 12 circuits (counting the Federal Circuit) and all have the same standing. D.C. Circuit decision doesn't bind the 4th circuit for example (MD is in the 4th).

Sorry - should have clarified - I know it does not override all of the Federal Courts jurisdiction (hence SCOTUS). I meant federal territories (like DC, Guam, PR, parks, etc.).

 

[The sphinx]

Emily miller just posted saying DC police chief told force not to arrest anyone who carries a gun legally in DC or any other state.

 

[Ragnar]

Emily miller just posted saying DC police chief told force not to arrest anyone who carries a gun legally in DC or any other state.

Which is everybody, since there are states with no-permit-required carry.

 

[occbrian]

Miller:More -- DC police chief using guidance from AG -- grants full reciprocity for all open and concealed carry from others states.

 

[dlmarion]

Wow. Thats huge. Wonder how many people from VA will carry into DC for work tomorrow...

 

[danb]

Then DC would get burned for the same thing with carry I would think, and I wonder why no one has pushed the issue with regards to a dealer and a storefront? The only reason Sykes' office is in MPD headquarters is because he lost the lease on his previous place and everything else fails do to DC law.

Whether the "line" is 150 yards from sensitive areas, 50 yards, or 10 yards, will keep this tied up for decades, like abortion clinic buffer zones.

Buffer zones around sensitive places will be significantly harder to litigate than zoning laws for gun ranges. Any ballistics expert will testify about the "effective range" of handguns and shotguns, and the judges themselves probably get death threats and have security and can see the bullet proof glass and jersey barriers.

In DC, many parts of the city are giant clusters of terrorist targets. The govt will claim national security.

I am just being realistic here. DC is not Chicago.