If the letter is over ten words, then it cannot be produced in MD. (Do you even know ten words?)
I know seven. That oughta get him started. Eight, actually. Carlin's famous seven, plus "purpledildo".
If the letter is over ten words, then it cannot be produced in MD. (Do you even know ten words?)
Post dealer samples are dirt cheap while pre-86 ones remain inflated because under the current understanding of the law they are the only transferable ones. If post-86 guns are legal for trusts (which I doubt)...then the market tanks. How much? Well, post dealer samples will likely experience a higher market equilibrium while transferable machine guns will experience a lower market equilibrium for sure. How much? Not sure, but I'd expect somewhere around late 90s prices.
Getting the 200 back is the 200 dollar question... In all honesty, that is what is holding me back from doing this exact thing right now.
Post dealer samples are dirt cheap while pre-86 ones remain inflated because under the current understanding of the law they are the only transferable ones. If post-86 guns are legal for trusts (which I doubt)...then the market tanks. How much? Well, post dealer samples will likely experience a higher market equilibrium while transferable machine guns will experience a lower market equilibrium for sure. How much? Not sure, but I'd expect somewhere around late 90s prices.
Post dealer samples are dirt cheap while pre-86 ones remain inflated because under the current understanding of the law they are the only transferable ones. If post-86 guns are legal for trusts (which I doubt)...then the market tanks. How much? Well, post dealer samples will likely experience a higher market equilibrium while transferable machine guns will experience a lower market equilibrium for sure. How much? Not sure, but I'd expect somewhere around late 90s prices.
If they are legal for trusts you can just have your AR lower drilled and put in a FA part's kit. I wouldn't even buy a dealer sample. I'd pay the tax, and pay a smith to drill a hole.......
If they are legal for trusts you can just have your AR lower drilled and put in a FA part's kit. I wouldn't even buy a dealer sample. I'd pay the tax, and pay a smith to drill a hole.......
^ this. You could built FA ARs, AKs, HKs, etc in your garage as easy as you can build a semi.
Well not really...
First you would have to drill the hole or the smith would be creating the MG and have to form 4 it to you.
As far as the post sample, even SOTs are required to get a letter from the LEO that they want a demonstration or they can't get it. Dealers just can't start shopping a menu of post samples, make a call and have it shipped. So even if it was legal for a Trust to get a post sample, you would have to make your own on a form 1. That would pretty much be the only path.
You may be thinking of pre-86 dealer samples. Even FFL07s with SOTs need LEO letters for a post-86 machinegun.Not if you they get the manufacturer SOT.
Or get lucky and find a dealer not renewing/getting rid of their license.
You may be thinking of pre-86 dealer samples. Even FFL07s with SOTs need LEO letters for a post-86 machinegun.
I suspect this is why you see a lot of SOTs in certain areas - because the county sheriff loves shooting modern MGs and doesn't mind writing a few LEO letters.
The discussion was about TRANSFERRING machineguns. Yeah, you can build all of the ones you want with an 07 SOT, but you can't just buy them off a catalog or from another dealer.You sure about that? I thought the whole point of a manufacturer license was so that you can make your own guns. I highly doubt Beretta needs a demo letter to make a new machine gun prototype.
Ah, well, this may be true.I know for a fact that FF07s don't need demo letters when buying from a dealer who is giving up their license. I see one of these every month or so on subguns.
Not if you they get the manufacturer SOT.
Or get lucky and find a dealer not renewing/getting rid of their license.
You may be thinking of pre-86 dealer samples. Even FFL07s with SOTs need LEO letters for a post-86 machinegun.
I suspect this is why you see a lot of SOTs in certain areas - because the county sheriff loves shooting modern MGs and doesn't mind writing a few LEO letters.
The discussion was about TRANSFERRING machineguns. Yeah, you can build all of the ones you want with an 07 SOT, but you can't just buy them off a catalog or from another dealer.
Ah, well, this may be true.
+1Actually in most cases, a FA gun is much easier to build as many of the semi auto designs require lots of modifications to get them to be classified as semi auto only. Also no 922r, so not sourcing US made parts. MGs would be much easier then semi autos.
However its really just a pipe dream...
If you are an SOT, then this hole discussion is meaningless as you can make post samples.
That is true on the none-renewing SOT and I guess would be a good point. However that also increases the price a bit.
Yes, they can make their own without a LEO Letter as Eric pointed out. However I do think they might be limited to one of each model or something like that. I don't know that much about that area as it really does not concern me that much.
Yes a buddy as Sheriff would certainly make being a SOT a lot easier and fun!
I thought Dennis has his manufacturer SOT and builds his own full auto AKs. I remember shooting his AMD (wooden vertical grip) post sample that he made, and could have sworn he said he had made a bunch more.
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Here is an ad right here for a dealer giving up his license, no demo letter needed for C2s. It probably allowed to help dealers get rid of their inventory on time.
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Going to the range with your buddy and shooting his rifle would be a violation of that condition. Your buddy still owns the gun and would be responsible for transferring it, but once it's in your hands, you "possess" it.
pos·sess
verb
1.have as belonging to one; own.
If you were to manufacture a new FA firearm, even under the authority of your trust, as soon as you put the last piece in, bam, you are "in possession" of a post-86 machine gun.
I imagine the only possible exception would be an FFL who is authorized to manufacture these firearms anyway...and they are not allowed to have them for personal use. And most FFLs that would have that authority are likely full-on corporations, not unincorporated trusts.
"If BATFE's interpretation is held up legally, and a trust is "not a person", then a trust does NOT have a right to keep and bear arms under 2A."
...which means the State could potentially make it illegal for trusts to own firearms, or even seize firearms from unincorporated trusts without due process of law.
Now...do we want to go down this "not a person" road??
We're talking about making a machine gun. That's a Type 7 FFL with Class 2, or a Type 10 FFL. BATFE is not going to issue you one of those so you can build guns for yourself...you have to be a legitimate business.