Stripped lowers legal?

[Rack&Roll]

I could buy a laundry bag and turn it into a money bag for robbing banks, right MSP?

Time to regulate laundry bags….

 

[AssMan]

Anyone know or can ask about purchasing multiple lowers at once?

If you're a MD designated collector, I don't see why you couldn't. I did 2 years ago and there was no issue.

 

[MDElite]

Anyone know or can ask about purchasing multiple lowers at once?

Should be able to buy as many as you want. I'll ask

 

[MDElite]

I could buy a laundry bag and turn it into a money bag for robbing banks, right MSP?

Time to regulate laundry bags….

Dont give them any ideas.

 

[Kman]

It can also be made into an C&C H Bar.

why is what you might do a legal requirement to tell MSP? And if you make it, it's not sold so no 77r is required anyway.

Just more of the same. The state identifying and documenting us as eventual felons.
I have 3 lowers that have never had an upper attached. They may never, or may become pistols, sbr, Hbars, paperweights or even pellet rifles. http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_MAR177_AR_15_Upper_PCP_Conversion_Kit/2703

 

[SWO Daddy]

I'm guessing that the 77r requirement is because these can legally be made into pistols.

You could buy a Mosin Nagant action and build an Obrez out of it too. Their reasoning is nonsensical.

 

[swinokur]

If MSP is insisting a stripped lower is a regulated firearm, then you'd be subject to the one a month law. Being a DC eliminates that.

IANAL.

 

[SWO Daddy]

Just more of the same. The state identifying and dicumenting us as eventual felons.
I have 3 lowers that have never had an upper attached. They may never, or may become pistols, sbr, Hbars, paperweights or even pellet rifles. http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_MAR177_AR_15_Upper_PCP_Conversion_Kit/2703

Don't forget crossbow:

http://www.guns.com/2013/02/28/tactical-assault-crossbow-pse-tac15-upper-for-the-ar15-video/

 

[buzzsaw]

So that's where Darryl got his from!

 

[Armadillofz1]

How will it work when one goes to sell his 77r'd lower, now built into a cute puppy loving, kitten kissing HBAR? Could it be resold without a subsequent "transfer" (77r)?

 

[FrankZ]

Latest response

"Because the AR-15 is a regulated firearm with the exception of the heavy barrel version"

I believe they are incorrect.

The AR-15 is a banned firearm with the exception of the heavy barrel version. Which would mean that you with a lower you can:

1) Build a handgun. This should warrent an HQL.
2) Build a HBAR. This should make the lower cash and carry.
3) Build a banned long gun. This means the lower should not be sold.

So if they are saying you can sell because of 2 then the lower should also be cash and carry.

One could buy a HBAR and put a light barrel on it. That doesn't make HBARs 77r.

 

[Rack&Roll]

I could buy a laundry bag and turn it into a money bag for robbing banks, right MSP?

Time to regulate laundry bags….

Dont give them any ideas.

No worries for me, I'm a MD Designated Launderer...

 

[swinokur]

You don't need an HQL to make a handgun. only to buy one.

 

[shocka04]

One could buy a HBAR and put a light barrel on it. That doesn't make HBARs 77r.

I thought you couldn't do that. Isn't that turning it into a banned configuration.

 

[NateIU10]

I thought you couldn't do that. Isn't that turning it into a banned configuration.

Yes, but the banned configuration is the only long gun version that meets the definition of Regulated Firearm (ie. a Rifle listed in Public Safety 5-101(r)(2).)


This is seriously maddening.

 

[Just5Guy]

I am waiting for confirmation that someone was actually able to purchase and was "not disapproved" before I get too excited, but this is definitely interesting.

 

[FrankZ]

I thought you couldn't do that. Isn't that turning it into a banned configuration.

Yes, but the banned configuration is the only long gun version that meets the definition of Regulated Firearm (ie. a Rifle listed in Public Safety 5-101(r)(2).)


This is seriously maddening.

Exactly.

This is another case of making rules without understanding what you are doing.

Maybe the government should let me make rules concerning the storage of fissionable material. It tupperware a good container? Keeps the onion smell in.

 

[whistlersmother]

Why not just get some 80's then no forms at all.

If it is illegal I didnt say it

If it is now legal to buy a 100% stripped lower, then it should be legal to create something
you can buy legally.

That would mean 80% completed to 100% would be legal, AS LONG AS the completed
lower is either pistol or topped with an HBAR for 223/556 OR topped with a different caliber
upper.

I will have to revisit those "What is an HBAR" threads. Is there a manufacturer / model of an upper that is accepted as HBAR?

 

[DC-W]

I can't believe I've missed all this stuff!
Incredible!

 

[swinokur]

MSP doesn't seem to be able to even bother letting FFL's know of the policy change. I'm not surprised at their incompetence at all.

Ringling Bros as others have noted.