Competition pistol question

[jimbobborg]

I shoot USPSA Limited Major and 3 gun with the same gun (SVI) in .40 and prefer it on steel for the better knockdown than 9mm. As long as you're ok competing in open class and no IDPA, your plan is good. Have you looked into holsters for it, yet? Bladetech is probably your best bet.

I saw the Bladetech comes with some of the competition M&Ps, along with magazine holders. I use my CZ-75 and GP-100 for IDPA, this will be strictly 3-Gun and bowling pins, maybe Steel Challenge if I can keep the ammunition supply up.

 

[covertpanda]

I've got the rifle sorted, I'm upgrading the pistol option to Open now and will get an Open shotgun later this year. I'm asking about this specific set up as it's an option for me for a lot less than a truly Open pistol.

I mean for the cost difference you should be good to go. Check out the Brian Enos forum; a bunch of folks on there have run and/or do run a slide mounted micro dot. That said, a carver mount and a C-More might be worth the extra cost, dot tracking is a bit easier and you will not have to worry about it falling off. Good luck.

 

[Magnumite]

I've begun shooting three gun and will vouch for the poster suggesting working more on the shotgun. It would need loading port beveling, the competitive shell carriers used and the shooter doing lots of practice on shotgun shooting. That is where the greatest time can be cut. That has been my experience.

I shoot iron sights, a single stack and need only the 30 cal to compete in heavy metal. The Garand should do. I've shot some with a dot sight on the handgun and will say they do teach you to keep the gun properly indexed. I still prefer iron soghts despite eyes almost 58 years old.

 

[jimbobborg]

I shoot iron sights, a single stack and need only the 30 cal to compete in heavy metal. The Garand should do. I've shot some with a dot sight on the handgun and will say they do teach you to keep the gun properly indexed. I still prefer iron sights despite eyes almost 58 years old.

The Garand, while the finest battle implement ever created, is not well suited for 3-Gun. The last 3-Gun match I shot at Cavalier one of my friends decided to use his Garand. You really need to practice loading the clips quickly, and plan your reloads, 8 rounds doesn't go far in a match and fumbling loads on the clock can be nerve wracking.

 

[Magnumite]

True, I've thought of that. But an AR-10 or similar gun is monetarily out of the question. I still shoot the pump and single stack gun and am just shooting limited now combining them with the iron sight AR.

 

[jimbobborg]

True, I've thought of that. But an AR-10 or similar gun is monetarily out of the question. I still shoot the pump and single stack gun and am just shooting limited now combining them with the iron sight AR.

The requirement for Heavy Metal is a .30 caliber rifle round. 300 Blackout counts, as well as 7.62x39. Just an upper swap away with the Blackout round.

 

[Winterborn]

I could have sworn the .40 was spec'ed at 45,000. And I don't think WWB 9mm is considered +P.

Is WWB the best ammo to use for competition?

I would think you would either reload or use match grade ammo for the consistency.

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[jimbobborg]

Is WWB the best ammo to use for competition?

I would think you would either reload or use match grade ammo for the consistency.

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I reload everything except 9mm, since I don't have dies for it yet It does good enough with my CZ to make Marksman on my first qualifier in IDPA. I just missed Sharpshooter, but that's on me, not the gun or ammunition.

 

[photoracer]

I could have sworn the .40 was spec'ed at 45,000. And I don't think WWB 9mm is considered +P.

Well considering the guys who shoot 9mm Major go over the SAAMI numbers all the time I think it is a moot point. And no WWB is not at the +P or NATO power level. I shoot WWB in my Bul M-5 for 3-gun.

 

[BenL]

The requirement for Heavy Metal is a .30 caliber rifle round. 300 Blackout counts, as well as 7.62x39. Just an upper swap away with the Blackout round.

Besides caliber, I think there is a power factor that must be met to qualify for HM.

ETA: minimum power factor for HM rifle is 320; that's a tall order for a blackout. A 175gr at ~1830 would probably be your best bet.

 

[jimbobborg]

Besides caliber, I think there is a power factor that must be met to qualify for HM.

ETA: minimum power factor for HM rifle is 320; that's a tall order for a blackout. A 175gr at ~1860 would probably be your best bet.

Where did you get the power factor? I didn't see a specific power factor for HM at Black Creek or Peacemaker. Black Creek (and Cavalier) just specified .30 caliber.

 

[BenL]

Where did you get the power factor? I didn't see a specific power factor for HM at Black Creek or Peacemaker. Black Creek (and Cavalier) just specified .30 caliber.

I saw 320 on a posting on Brian Enos (I can't find it now), but according to the International Multi-Gun Association, it's 360.

6.6 Rifle - Heavy Metal (Iron sighted rifles and rifles with optics will be scored separately.)
6.6.1 Rifles in HM must comply with Tactical Rifle Rules (excepting 6.5.6).
6.6.2 Rifles in HM will be .30 caliber minimum.
6.6.3 Minimum power factor shall be 360.

I haven't researched USPSA, but I'm sure they have a PF, too; they do for everything.

ETA: Here you go; page 66. USPSA Rifle Heavy Metal Division power factor is 320.

http://www.uspsa.org/document_library/RifleShotgunMultigun Rules 6-23-2013final_web.pdf

I can't check 3GN rules; their site gets blocked at work. I think they are the ones that allow the Blackout under HM.

 

[jimbobborg]

I believe Peacemaker runs under 3GN rules. Interesting. So that's three ranges that I know of that allow AK's and similar ballistic rounds in HM. I had to shoot my 6.8 in Tac-Optics at both.

 

[soup101]

The Regional Peacemaker matches run by Alan use the FNH 3G Championship rules which do have a power factor for Heavy Metal.

"5.6.4.6 Minimum power factor (bullet weight x velocity/1000) is 320."

 

[Magnumite]

I was checking the ballistics of the Blackout round. Good thread going. Nice

 

[BenL]

I was checking the ballistics of the Blackout round. Good thread going. Nice

A 300BLK with 175gr SMK at ~1850 would have a 65" drop at 400 yards.

 

[Magnumite]

I was referring to muzzle velocities, my bad. But I find a 65" inch drop at 100 yards unrealistic. Could that be 6.5 " you intended to type?

Drop was one thing I was considering when I first saw the velocity. That and the PF isn't met in sanctioned events but is cool for local matches. I reason instead of buying a noncompliant gun for the sport, I am willing to wait on a good opportunity on a decent AR10 pattern gun and just ''Garand it'' during the interim. I am not as active competitively as I was for the time being so I can watch, read and learn.

 

[photoracer]

He said a 65" drop at 400 yards. Considering PNTC shoots to 300y in the monthly matches the drop would still be a lot to try to get on target.
DPMS 3G1 3gun 308 is only $1699. And they have other models that could be used in 3gun for as low as $1029 (308 Sportical) Thats not much more than the cost of a Stag 3G 5.56.

 

[jimbobborg]

He said a 65" drop at 400 yards. Considering PNTC shoots to 300y in the monthly matches the drop would still be a lot to try to get on target.
DPMS 3G1 3gun 308 is only $1699. And they have other models that could be used in 3gun for as low as $1029 (308 Sportical) Thats not much more than the cost of a Stag 3G 5.56.

He edited his post, it was originally 100 yards. I was wondering about that, too

 

[photoracer]

He edited his post, it was originally 100 yards. I was wondering about that, too

So you have a 6.8mm also I see. My last AR build was the 6.8. Have not gotten around to spending the time to get it 100% right as yet. Too many other things in its way.