HBAR AR15's

[swinokur]

I don't think a new COMAR reg would over ride an AG opinion. They would both have to change but IANAL.

 

[Haides]

What happens if you slap an HBAR upper on a lower? If you build an HBAR on a stripped lower that you bought and did the regulated paperwork for, does it suddenly become unregulated/FTF-transferable, or is it a once regulated always regulated kinda deal?

 

[hvymax]

What happens if you slap an HBAR upper on a lower? If you build an HBAR on a stripped lower that you bought and did the regulated paperwork for, does it suddenly become unregulated/FTF-transferable, or is it a once regulated always regulated kinda deal?

Once regd always regd.

 

[swinokur]

The MSP 77r says it was a regulated purchase. no matter what upper you stick on it.

It will be in MSP's database as a regulated firearm.

 

[Haides]

That's what I thought, thanks. Maryland logic...

 

[pbharvey]

Will you be able to legally swap out a fixed stock for an adjustable stock on a post October 1 purchased HBAR? Does adding a banned feature after your purchase it (i.e. exceeding the number of banned features) make a legal HBAR into an illegal so called assault rifle?

If so I'd like to see someone file a lawsuit based on ADA or some such need to have a shorter stock on their target rifle.

 

[dblas]

Will you be able to legally swap out a fixed stock for an adjustable stock on a post October 1 purchased HBAR? Does adding a banned feature after your purchase it (i.e. exceeding the number of banned features) make a legal HBAR into an illegal so called assault rifle?

If so I'd like to see someone file a lawsuit based on ADA or some such need to have a shorter stock on their target rifle.

Any firearm you own before October 1 that is currently non-regulated, will remain so, even after Oct 1. The only thing adding a flash hider, folding stock, and/or grenade/flash hider will do is then prevent you from "potentially" selling it in state after Oct 1. The banned list only applies to what you can purchase or what you own and can sell in state after Oct 1. It does not apply to what you already own or how you modify it after Oct 1.

Collapsable stocks are not an "evil" feature in MD, but a folding stock is, so I can't see an ADA lawsuit for s folding stock.

 

[Armati]

I will apologize in advance if this has been gone over before, but this law is very confusing.

Am I to understand that a collapsable stock is, in fact, NOT an evil feature?

Does the HBAR have to be a Colt HBAR or can it be any HBAR marked rifle?

Any chance a company like Adcor might start making HBAR rifles/lowers?

 

[swinokur]

I will apologize in advance if this has been gone over before, but this law is very confusing.

Am I to understand that a collapsable stock is, in fact, NOT an evil feature?

correct.

Does the HBAR have to be a Colt HBAR or can it be any HBAR marked rifle?

barrel profile and diameter determines HBAR, not necessarily markings.

Any chance a company like Adcor might start making HBAR rifles/lowers?

no idea.

 

[Armati]

barrel profile and diameter determines HBAR, not necessarily markings.

But where is this in the law? I when I read it it only mentioned HBAR by name and not any other identifying features.

 

[dblas]

But where is this in the law? I when I read it it only mentioned HBAR by name and not any other identifying features.

BATFE defines an HBAR, not the state of MD, do a google search.

 

[frdfandc]

I believe that you can purchase NON-regulated firearms in states adjacent to where you live (although I've never purchased out of state). MUST purchase in-state applies to REGULATED firearms of which MD defines as pistols which are on the MD Handgun Roster list and AR-15s.

The Colt H-BAR AR-15 was exempted from the definition of an assault weapon and the MSP currently extends that exemption to all H-BAR rifles -- hence an H-BAR is NOT regulated and is cash and carry after the ATF 4473 process is completed successfully.

I've never tried to purchase an H-BAR from a dealer out of state and although it MAY be legal to do so (since MD doesn't consider them regulated) it may very well be next to impossible to find an out of state FFL who understands this -- heck, even some MD FFLs insist that AR-15 H-BARs are Regulated and that AR-10s are also regulated.

I purchased a H-BAR S&W M&P 15 chambered in .300 Blackout from a dealer in PA. Cash-n-carry after the NICS check.

The key is shopping at a dealer than understands MD law. Luckily the place where I purchased mine is a resident of MD, but his shop is in PA.

Shop is Thunderstick Enterprises in Fawn Grove, PA>

 

[swinokur]

But where is this in the law? I when I read it it only mentioned HBAR by name and not any other identifying features.

read the AG opinion on copies. Then decide for yourself.

 

[drthv8r]

I purchased my Windham Weaponry HBAR online thinking it was going to be a cash and carry deal, but my local FFL said it's only Colt HBARs that are cash and carry. So I had to wait to pick it up. Something to keep in mind if you're thinking of holding off to get an HBAR from another company before before Oct 1st thinking it'll be cash and carry. I only purchased the WW HBAR because I got a good deal on it, it wasn't something I had to have so waiting for it wasn't an issue for me. Yep maryland sucks.

 

[reckless1911]

Going out of state, if you can find a FFL that understands the laws, might be the best option.
I can only imagine how high the prices will be on HBARs post October 1st.

The prices are coming down now and shouldnt be any higher come October... Oct 1st only affects this state so only shops here would be the ones jacking up the prices unless dealers cross country decide to make special Maryland residents prices, but at the same time everyone in this day and age has a check card and access to the internet so purchasing cheaper online tax free and transferring should be easy opposed to paying possible jacked up in store prices

 

[reckless1911]

you know I have come to find that in these past months, the only people that tell me that AR10s are going to be banned are dealers that actually had the particular AR10 I was looking at in stock and unregulated, and then the only people who tell me they will not be banned and provide supportive proof are FFLs..... Im starting to think certain people where trying to scare me into a sale...

 

[BeerHunter]

That's why it's critical that everyone really needs to know what the law actually says! Buyer beware!

 

[Vile Shadow]

I purchased my Windham Weaponry HBAR online thinking it was going to be a cash and carry deal, but my local FFL said it's only Colt HBARs that are cash and carry. So I had to wait to pick it up. Something to keep in mind if you're thinking of holding off to get an HBAR from another company before before Oct 1st thinking it'll be cash and carry. I only purchased the WW HBAR because I got a good deal on it, it wasn't something I had to have so waiting for it wasn't an issue for me. Yep maryland sucks.

Not only MD but the dealer you did that transfer through sucks.

 

[rico903]

I believe that you can purchase NON-regulated firearms in states adjacent to where you live (although I've never purchased out of state). MUST purchase in-state applies to REGULATED firearms of which MD defines as pistols which are on the MD Handgun Roster list and AR-15s.

The Colt H-BAR AR-15 was exempted from the definition of an assault weapon and the MSP currently extends that exemption to all H-BAR rifles -- hence an H-BAR is NOT regulated and is cash and carry after the ATF 4473 process is completed successfully.

I've never tried to purchase an H-BAR from a dealer out of state and although it MAY be legal to do so (since MD doesn't consider them regulated) it may very well be next to impossible to find an out of state FFL who understands this -- heck, even some MD FFLs insist that AR-15 H-BARs are Regulated and that AR-10s are also regulated.

The Gun Bunker in Shrewbury PA has a lot of Hbars and they are cash and carry.

 

[pcfixer]

I have a RRA Eliter Operator that is HHB by definition. Not marked on barrel tho.