With what C&R rifle you often get caught violating with the ranges rules

[jjones88]

You must be a very attractive young woman / one of Don Corleone associates / a rich and powerful person who triple pays the range fee or all of the 3. May I ask how long have you been owning and shooting those guns? how often you visit the AGC Range? Thanks in advance.

None of these... ugly male who used to go every Sat/Sun AM for 2 years. Now maybe 4 times a month?

 

[SlowShooter]

I was "talked to" at the end of a cold range one time after the rso asked if the Remington 512p was mine. He proceeded to tell me that he wanted the rod removed from the gun when the range was cold so he could see there wasn't any ammo in the tube. He then wrote down my badge number, so for all I know I'm on double secret probation.

No, you are not on probation yet. You just lost a few points (just like driving violation). When the points are up to some certain number, then you have to face the Safety Committees. They will give you a probation. From that time on, any small violation will be seen as bigger, much bigger and your punishment will be double or you might lost your membership. This is from my experience. I just wish that we can pay the fine and move on with our short lives (just like traffic violations).

 

[SlowShooter]

None of these... ugly male who used to go every Sat/Sun AM for 2 years. Now maybe 4 times a month?

Lucky guy!

 

[Erno86]

So, a big yellow hunk of plastic stuck in the aft end of double-action revolver barrel flagging that the action is open (and safe) isn't "sufficient to tell the SRSO and other shooters around him that the shooter has enough experience to know that his revolver has been rendered safe" - Really?

I know it's the rule but I'd feel safer with the flag (ECI if you wish) in the barrel just like a rifle and please don't tell me "the chamber on a rifle is located in the barrel" we all know that...what did Mawkie say..."semantics"? We follow the rules because they are the rules not because they necessarily make sense and yes, I do have my RSO card from the NRA.

May I add {not saying that you didn't know}: All members at AGC are RSO's...regardless of whether or not they've taken the RSO course from the NRA.

 

[Straightbolt]

May I add {not saying that you didn't know}: All members at AGC are RSO's...regardless of whether or not they've taken the RSO course from the NRA.

Safety is everyone's responsibility

 

[SlowShooter]

Safety is everyone's responsibility

+1. Erno86 always leads this effort.

 

[tallen702]

Meanwhile at the trap and skeet clubs...

"Just throw your gun in the rack over there!"

 

[normbal]

I went to Cresap once. I never wanted to go back after seeing their RO's in action. Most of the one's I saw seemed like wannabe Parris Island DI's breathing down the necks of people trying to shoot. Shame since it's close to my house, but I'm so glad I joined Thurmont instead.

That was my experience at AGC many years ago. I've never been treated with such overt disrespect and hostility at any other range civilian or military. I left the range nazis behind when I left AGC. YMMV.


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[Erno86]

One of the SRSO's at AGC, just confiscated another range member's badge today, for having one of his guest's leave a loaded magazine inserted in his AR's magwell during a ceasefire.

According to the AGC vice president....that leaves a present total of 9 confiscated AGC range badges at this present time.

 

[SKIP]

Was that the group shooting just left of you?

 

[Erno86]

Was that the group shooting just left of you?

No...it was a trio over on the Benchrest Only.

 

[SlowShooter]

According to scientific researches, planetary alignment has great effects on all living things, not just tides, and weathers and your smartphones. I hope that what's happening around AGC has nothing to do with the coming solar eclipse on August 21.

 

[Drmsparks]

One of the SRSO's at AGC, just confiscated another range member's badge today, for having one of his guest's leave a loaded magazine inserted in his AR's magwell during a ceasefire.

According to the AGC vice president....that leaves a present total of 9 confiscated AGC range badges at this present time.

Just our of curiousity are the BOD or officers tracking badge confiscations by RSO?

Based on what I'm reading and what I've experienced you have at least one guy who is out of control, choosing confrontation over safety management and he is far more likely to cause an incident than prevent one.

This was a problem 10 years ago at AGC and directly led to a decline in membership.

Safety is of the utmost importance and can be maintained without this unneeded confrontation.

Everyone makes mistakes, that's why in cease fires we check our station and glance to our neighbors. Then the RSO double checks and makes sure safe, then there is a cease fire. If you make a mistake that puts no one in immediate danger it should be corrected (hey joe, you left your mag in- take it out so we can make the line safe). If it's repetitive you should be sent home.

If the line is called cold and members are down range and a magazine is found in a rifle it's the RO that needs to go.

 

[EKing]

C&R rifles are very rarely the subject of violations.
The most common rifle we see with violations is the AR-15.
Some people don't know how or forget to remove the magazine, also we see a lot of ECI's hanging in the mag well.
If you don't know where the ECI goes but I see you made the effort, I simply show the correct way and move on.

I'll be working there this Saturday, stop by and chat me up.
Eric

 

[SlowShooter]

Eric is a young new RSO and I like him. In fact, I like most of the RSOs at AGC and I miss Gary the old man. They work there so they have to do what they are paid for. There are no problems with that and I treat them with respect.

What Eric has observed about rules violations are true. AR-15s are the most beloved guns out there (everyone has at least 1), so they get the most violations make a lot of sense. On another hand, C&R guns are rarely seen at the range so the # of violations is relatively much lower. However, with me, it is alarming because most guns I own are C&R (I have enough to arm a company. That is why I want to conduct a research to find for an effective way to counter rules violation. I play with C&R guns because they are obsolete and they are the safest guns (C&R guns are slow in operation and ammunitions for them are hard to get.) However miss understanding about them could lead to serious issues and I am suffering.

Eric, because you are the first RSO shows up, could you answer my questions in post #49 to 52. It will be a big help. Thanks in advance.

 

[AlanInSilverSpring]

I have a Russian revolver, Nagant M1895 with 7 chambers. It has a fixed cylinder and the only way to load and unload is to do it one by one at the right side of the cylinder. There is no access to the barrel from the rear. The only way to jam the cylinder and to show barrel/1 of the chambers empty is to put a chopstick all the way down. Is that safe enough?

If you can load a round can't you stick in an eci ? Wouldn't that be enough or does it have to go all the way through the cylinder ? Of course if the hammer was cocked it wouldn't matter if anything was in there or not.

I'm wondering because I just bought a Heritage Rough Rider that loads/unloads the same way. You can't stick anything clear thru any cylinder and it seems to me that putting something down the barrel doesn't clearly show that it isn't loaded and fireable, just that you now have a barrel obstruction. (How would someone know the chopstick went all the way into the cylinder ?).

So would the only way to clearly show the gun is inoperable/safe be to remove the cylinder ? Just like removing a mag ?

 

[5.56blaster]

I really enjoy having my own private range.

 

[SlowShooter]

I have a kitchen at home but I prefer to eat outside in restaurants.

 

[SlowShooter]

... also we see a lot of ECI's hanging in the mag well.
If you don't know where the ECI goes but I see you made the effort, I simply show the correct way and move on.

At some ranges where rocket scientists/engineers run the place, a flag hanging on the mag well is good enough. They know that that flag will jam the action and the gun is inoperational (the bolt can not be closed). I bet that the guy came from Cresap Rifle Club. He ain't dummy.

 

[bbrown]

Put an ECI in a freshly fired MG chamber and the flag will likely melt into the barrel.