Alan3413
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- Mar 4, 2013
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Never mind.
Most of the recent police shootings with .40 resulted in death with one shot.
Most of the recent police shootings with .40 resulted in death with one shot.
Respectfully submitted, but can you back that up? I've never known an officer to fire a single shot from a handgun in a deadly force encounter.
I once saw Jon Wick kill 2 men in a bar with a Pencil, A PENCIL!
I've heard some officers speculating that the change is because the 9mm isn't as deadly so they are switching for liability issues...to me that's hard to believe that would be the reason but in this age of endless litigation and the potential for civil unrest when one group believes all police involved shooting deaths are caused by racist and abusive officers I can easily see some people ( certain politicians) thinking like that.
I really don't see much difference over 9mm JHP ammo performance from what it was 20 years ago. IMHO .40 is still a much better round for stopping a threat. But what do I know. I only spent 25 years in law enforcement and 6 more in the commercial firearms industry itself. How can I compare with people who go on Youtube to shoot turnips in their backyard or who have never completed an ammo contract in their lives telling us exactly how every police department in the country makes it's purchasing decisions. I'll listen only to scientific independent tests of ammunition performance, and I could also care less what claims any ammo manufacturer tells me about their product. I think the real reason PD's like the 9mm again is the inability of millennial recruits to handle the snappy recoil of the .40. But, it isn't what the mutual admiration societies of the internet gun boards say so I'm probably wrong.
As an aside, you know you're a dog lover when you watch a movie where a guy spends two hours killing about 600 people with up-close head shots in revenge for someone killing his dog, and the one part you always have to skip over is the dog part, because that's disturbing.
IIRC, a MSP aviation trooper dropped a perp with 2 shots center mass, a few years ago in Frederick. I believe the first shot killed the perp.Respectfully submitted, but can you back that up? I've never known an officer to fire a single shot from a handgun in a deadly force encounter.
There's this too...IIRC, a MSP aviation trooper dropped a perp with 2 shots center mass, a few years ago in Frederick. I believe the first shot killed the perp.
It's the new Dim Mak hollowpoint.
That .40 cal is really amazing. Definitely has more stopping power than 9mm and that's obvious.
When the FBI worked with S&W to create the .40 (10mm lite) ammo because the 10mm they were using had to much recoil, they then adopted the .40 instead of 10mm. Once that happened, many PD followed the FBI lead and adopted the caliber, especially when Glock started producing the .40 semi auto.
The 10mm is superior in every way but it proved too much recoil and muzzle flash for some agents so the 40 was invented, then adopted.
I have several Smith and Wesson 10mm 3rd gen pistols and a G29SF. Sold my G20SF because I wasn't shootin it much.
The best pistol round ever invented IMHO.
I really don't see much difference over 9mm JHP ammo performance from what it was 20 years ago. IMHO .40 is still a much better round for stopping a threat. But what do I know. I only spent 25 years in law enforcement and 6 more in the commercial firearms industry itself. How can I compare with people who go on Youtube to shoot turnips in their backyard or who have never completed an ammo contract in their lives telling us exactly how every police department in the country makes it's purchasing decisions. I'll listen only to scientific independent tests of ammunition performance, and I could also care less what claims any ammo manufacturer tells me about their product. I think the real reason PD's like the 9mm again is the inability of millennial recruits to handle the snappy recoil of the .40. But, it isn't what the mutual admiration societies of the internet gun boards say so I'm probably wrong.
IIRC, a MSP aviation trooper dropped a perp with 2 shots center mass, a few years ago in Frederick. I believe the first shot killed the perp.
I am not sure what you mean by performance. Ballistically there is no real difference. How easily they expand has changed. I think your time frame is a little off though. 40 came out in 1990, which is more like 30 years ago. The more reliably expanding ammo also came out around the same time. Think hydroshock (88) and black talon (91).