Who Makes The Best/Most Reliable 1911’s (if $ was no concern)

[Pinecone]

Sigh. Most modern 1911s ARE throated from the factory, FURTHER throating does nothing but remove material and lessen case support. This NOT what you said the first time.
Accurate language eliminates stuff like this.

Well I guess since YOU haven't heard of it, it must never happen. Didn't know you were omnipotent. It has happened with hot ammo that has been chambered and re chambered causing bullet setback. Also, never heard of a Delta Elite? A 10mm 1911 without full case support that can, especially with hot ammo and reloads, rupture cases. So now you have heard of it. Original DEs are kind of known for this, which is why Buffalo Bore makes 10mm ammo specifically designed NOT to be shot in a DE without a ramped barrel.

Jamming the bullet back in the case is not normal operation.
And could cause this to happen with an totally unthroated barrel. And a Ramped barrel is a whole different ballgame. Rounds requiring a ramped barrel, are not safe in an unramped, unthroated barrel

SMH. 1911A2 is a double stack 1911. The term was coined by Springfield Armory for their version of a double stack 1911, but is sometimes used to refer to any double stack 1911 from several manufacturers such as Para-Ord, Springer, RIA, or custom made caspian rigs. 2011 is another way they are referred to, however that term was invented by STI

Hmm, funny, if you Google 1911A2, you get something else.

http://karllippard.com/military/

Which also says, 1911 A2 is a Registered Trademark.

And finally, I was ASKING about it. No need to be snarky.

It would seem you need to educate yourself on 1911s before correcting others

Maybe you might want to be a more helpful member of this community.

 

[Pinecone]

Years ago I had an old Colt Gold Cup that could not handle JHPs, as in a jam every 3-4 rounds. So I sold it and bought a S&W Dan Koenig and later a Kimber. I have had no problems cycling any JHPs on either of those. I wanted to be able to shoot JHPs in case of a Mau Mau uprising or similar - ergo a Zombie Apocalypse.

How old?

My circa 1980 Gold Cup was fine with pretty much any ammo, once I put a regular recoil spring in it.

 

[Pinecone]

The para ordnance made in canada has a ramped barrel. I think they moved to the usa now and not sure about quality changes or not.
I had a p13-45 and p16-40 both were excellent with anything i put through them.

Not sure it could have gotten worse.

I like mine, but it has had its issue.

Like the rear sight falling out at a match. It seems they machined the dovetail too deep, so put a drop of epoxy on the underside of the sight to "fix" it.

 

[Hit and Run]

Not sure it could have gotten worse.



I like mine, but it has had its issue.



Like the rear sight falling out at a match. It seems they machined the dovetail too deep, so put a drop of epoxy on the underside of the sight to "fix" it.

Fixed one like that by putting a thin shim under dove tail. Concur they where cut to deep...

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[Pinecone]

Fixed one like that by putting a thin shim under dove tail. Concur they where cut to deep...

I had my smith put on a low mount Bomar.

He hated working on it. Since the frame was investment cast, there were no flat places except the rails. Hard to jib for milling.

 

[Magnumite]

"Fixed one like that by putting a thin shim under dove tail. Concur they where cut to deep..."

I have had to do that a few times. Works.

 

[whitetailstalker]

Reliability

Colt over Ed Brown , Les Baer and Ed Wilson ? Delusional . Funny how people that can't afford high end 1911's will always pick the only model they own !!!

 

[Magnumite]

I am not a Colt 1911 fan (but I do like some of their parts) but Colt has actually upped their game. It seems some of their latest production performance pistols are giving good value for under $1k. Additionally, their Custom Shop guns seem to be on par with the Baers, Browns, and similar tier level guns at a competitive market cost. There are a few flies in the Baer ointment...from personal experience.

 

[Blaster229]

I'd buy a $500 RIA drop it off with John Carduner (IP here) along with $1,200 bucks or so and say "call me when you're done with it".

 

[bpm32]

I am not a Colt 1911 fan (but I do like some of their parts) but Colt has actually upped their game. It seems some of their latest production performance pistols are giving good value for under $1k. Additionally, their Custom Shop guns seem to be on par with the Baers, Browns, and similar tier level guns at a competitive market cost. There are a few flies in the Baer ointment...from personal experience.

I’ve only had a chance to disassemble five or so Baers and all of them had loosely fit barrel hoods. Everyone always talks about how tight the slide/frame fit is, but in my experience the tightness was due to the fact that the barrel feet were jammed into the slide stop. “Breaking the guns in” involved battering the SS pin into the barrel until they loosened up.

That said, I had a Baer that went 14,000 lead SWCs without a single failure. The eventual failure was a broken extractor nose. This too had been poorly fit as it turned out—you could actually tell how many loads a piece of brass had on it from where the extractor nose kissed the brass rebate.

 

[bpm32]

I'd buy a $500 RIA drop it off with John Carduner (IP here) along with $1,200 bucks or so and say "call me when you're done with it".

You would end up with a very reliable and accurate gun, and you could be sure that a number of critical things were done, which is more than I could say for a lot of “high end, tool steel, forged parts” type companies.

 

[Blaster229]

You would end up with a very reliable and accurate gun, and you could be sure that a number of critical things were done, which is more than I could say for a lot of “high end, tool steel, forged parts” type companies.

You took the words out of my mouth.

 

[rbird7282]

The Paras made in FL were pretty crappy, with even worse mags. Many examples were jammy(even with a ramped barrel) with railed models having rails that were not square with the frame, and out of spec parts like sear springs. (The double stack models were the worst offenders)

The (later) models made in NC were excellent, employing EGW internals and better slide and frame QA

I do know that they are now part of the freedom group, and have not handled any new ones after being taken over.

I must have an exception then. I have a Para P14 made in FL and have never had a malfunction of any kind. Both mags work great too, best 1911 I own. I have a Colt 1911 that was my fathers during Vietnam, a Para single stack target model, and a Ruger SR1911 and the double stack Para outshoots them all easily.


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[rbird7282]

I'd buy a $500 RIA drop it off with John Carduner (IP here) along with $1,200 bucks or so and say "call me when you're done with it".

Yep, he does great work


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[Magnumite]

I must have an exception then. I have a Para P14 made in FL and have never had a malfunction of any kind. Both mags work great too, best 1911 I own. I have a Colt 1911 that was my fathers during Vietnam, a Para single stack target model, and a Ruger SR1911 and the double stack Para outshoots them all easily.


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I had a P14-45 Limited years back. I tuned it and it ran great. Para’s ‘match grade’ barrel was not match grade fit. I sold it but remorse tells me I should have kept and fit a proper barrel to it. I have been scrounging for one. Now its successor, the Remington R1 with better fit, has caught my eye.

 

[rbird7282]

I had a P14-45 Limited years back. I tuned it and it ran great. Para’s ‘match grade’ barrel was not match grade fit. I sold it but remorse tells me I should have kept and fit a proper barrel to it. I have been scrounging for one. Now its successor, the Remington R1 with better fit, has caught my eye.

Check with Bar-Sto, they made one for my Para P-14 (I needed one that was threaded)


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[Batt816]

My Taurus PT1911FS is on the way!

 

[Mr.Blue]

Are Springfield 1911 parts still made in Brazil? I don’t think so, but Springfield is always tight lipped about their foreign outsourcing. That is why I’d never buy one. Foreign made 1911s or 1911 parts are sacrilege to me.

 

[Magnumite]

Check with Bar-Sto, they made one for my Para P-14 (I needed one that was threaded)


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There were a number of aftermarket barrels for it. I called Para to have the barrel replaced. I didn't care for their warranty and I didn't want to put the $$$ in it at the time. I shot in in the Master's Tournament in 2007. Sold it a couple years later to help fund a backpacking trip to New Mexico. Like I said...seller's remorse.

 

[bpm32]

Are Springfield 1911 parts still made in Brazil? I don’t think so, but Springfield is always tight lipped about their foreign outsourcing. That is why I’d never buy one. Foreign made 1911s or 1911 parts are sacrilege to me.

I think they cut ties with IMBEL a while back, but they may still get their forgings from some other foreign country and finish them in IL. Pretty sure you can still say “Made in the USA” in that case.