RoadDawg
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- Dec 6, 2010
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I looked at those. They ain't bad at all.
But I gotta have the original style hammer.
Hammers can be switched... it ain't like it's a gender change.
I looked at those. They ain't bad at all.
But I gotta have the original style hammer.
Perhaps Bruce Jenner changed because of his initials. That's gotta be a tough go in the locker room for all those years...Hammers can be switched... it ain't like it's a gender change.
Colt because:
100% American made instead of a Brazilian frame"
Springfield Armory guns have been made state side for about two years...no more Brazilian manufacture.
"Resale value
"If it aint a Colt, its a copy""
So was Remington Rand, Singer, Ithaca, etc.
Plus, the copy was out dayed so the other 1911 manufactures made all the modern improvements.
"Series 70 firing system"
SA uses series 70 lock work.
"No nanny state ILS system (internal locking system similar to Taurus).
No strange take down procedures (ILS requires a few extra steps to remove mainspring housing)"
Someone must have snuck in and installed all those series 80 firing pin blocks...oh that was COLT. It is more involved to service than the ILS.
No loaded chamber indicator, so you can brass check, which is manly.
Never really agreed with Springfield marketing alluding to them being similar to the original gov't armory (which they aren't)
"Colt uses less MIM parts. (Springer MIM is generally good tho, but I cant get behind a MIM or even a cast extractor)."
MIM is MIM. There is good and bad, comes down to QC. SA uses barstock extractors.
"I have/had both. Ditched the Springfield a long while ago. They shoot the same. The "match" barrel in the Springer doesn't make much of a difference due to the inherent accuracy of the 1911 platform."
The Colt will have a long linked barrel and a sloppy bushing..the design of the 1911 and A1, which is how the Colt S70 is built. Springer typically closes the tolerances.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1911Manual.pdf
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=256203
Colt because:
100% American made instead of a Brazilian frame
Resale value
"If it aint a Colt, its a copy"
Series 70 firing system
No nanny state ILS system (internal locking system similar to Taurus)
No strange take down procedures (ILS requires a few extra steps to remove mainspring housing)
No loaded chamber indicator, so you can brass check, which is manly.
Never really agreed with Springfield marketing alluding to them being similar to the original gov't armory (which they aren't)
Colt uses less MIM parts. (Springer MIM is generally good tho, but I cant get behind a MIM or even a cast extractor)
I have/had both. Ditched the Springfield a long while ago. They shoot the same. The "match" barrel in the Springer doesn't make much of a difference due to the inherent accuracy of the 1911 platform.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1911Manual.pdf
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=256203
You do realize the ~$2500 Springfield Professional which is used by the FBI HRT, has MIM parts, right?
Big difference in MIM parts made with good quality steel and those made with low grade steel or pot metal.
Not knocking the Colt...
100% American made instead of a Brazilian frame" Nevermind
Springfield Armory guns have been made state side for about two years...no more Brazilian manufacture.
Didn't know that, thanks for clarifying. Did some research and this checks out.
"If it aint a Colt, its a copy""
So was Remington Rand, Singer, Ithaca, etc.
Plus, the copy was out dated so the other 1911 manufactures made all the modern improvements.
I was speaking more to the colloquial than any real advantage. It should be noted that it would appear the OP wants an original as possible 1911 so modern "improvements" are kinda irrelevant.
"Series 70 firing system"
SA uses series 70 lock work.
Never said it did or didnt, only because SA doesn't mention it. I do know the Colt does, but if the Springer does as well, so much the better.
"No nanny state ILS system (internal locking system similar to Taurus).
No strange take down procedures (ILS requires a few extra steps to remove mainspring housing)"
Someone must have snuck in and installed all those series 80 firing pin blocks...oh that was COLT. It is more involved to service than the ILS.
Very true, but irrelevant since (as you pointed out) we are talking about two series 70 lockwork pistols. Wasn't commenting on the company practice or history, just these two pistols. Of the two, the Springer has a locking device in the MSH, the Colt doesn't. Personally, I convert almost all of my firing pin block 1911s to Series 70 but that is personal preference.
"Colt uses less MIM parts. (Springer MIM is generally good tho, but I cant get behind a MIM or even a cast extractor)."
MIM is MIM. There is good and bad, comes down to QC. SA uses barstock extractors.
Agree (see above replies to other posters). That being said: THR, FiringLine, Calguns, and ARFcom all disagree with your statement that the extractors are barstock, along with my personal experience. (The Mil-spec I owned had a MIM extractor). Do you have a reference to prove this? I am not trying to be argumentative, I actually want to know if Springer changed this or not.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159303
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-76019.html
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=31660 (cached version)
"I have/had both. Ditched the Springfield a long while ago. They shoot the same. The "match" barrel in the Springer doesn't make much of a difference due to the inherent accuracy of the 1911 platform."
The Colt will have a long linked barrel and a sloppy bushing..the design of the 1911 and A1, which is how the Colt S70 is built. Springer typically closes the tolerances.
Again, I agree. Whether or not this is functionally necessary is debatable. In bullseye shooting I would say it is, but otherwise I doubt it. My personal experience is that my stock MkIV Colt (without collet bushing) shoots about the same as my Springer Mil-spec did.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp...1911Manual.pdf
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=256203
The Colt has a standard ejection port, the other looks lowered. For that reason the SA. I looked at 70 series, but preferred the straight back strap and trigger and lowered port of the 80 series Colt.
Holy crap! I fondled a Ruger CMD lightweight today. I can see me lightening up the stable a bit to make room for this piece of delicious self defense tool. Thinking this for my edc retirement piece
We’re talking about one of the if not the best 1911 for the money.
^^JMB might not..he did design the Hi-power.
We all shoot what we like and a 45 ACP in a 1911 is...well, just right.
But, don't knock the 9mm 1911's until you tried them. Fast slide cycle with less recoil (more time to index on the next target with no time lost, typically in less time), comparable ammo savings ( 33% and greater), a couple more rounds in standard length mags.
I had a 9mm 1911 once before but I really like a 45 1911 and... well, I sold it. Then kicked myself. Then during this last ammo and reloading components frenzy, I looked at 150 plus cases from 45 ACP reloads I had just shot. I thought about the steel game I was practicing for. All that cash just to go clang with a minimum 125 power factor. Doing fast math I decided to build a 9mm 1911. I still shoot 45 but my stock steel gun is now a 9mm.
Irrelevant. Matters not. Our soldiers used 'em in .45 in.... How many wars?^^JMB might not..he did design the Hi-power.
Yah, no problemo. And every soft drink is a Coke...