Well there go the pistol braces.

[Muleskinner]

Why does why of that matter? If they are coming for guns, they don't care about any of that. All that matters is that you bought a big, scary evil gun.

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Very true. Although i personally dont think they are going to come around kicking in doors..it can be done administratively weaponizing the IRS..Simply cut off access to your income until you comply..

In your case they will simply terminate you as a felon if you refuse to comply

 

[Mike OTDP]

That still doesnt help Marylanders who have a <10.5 inch barrel pistol with a brace on it. I wonder what those people are going to do.

Put a pad on the brace...or file a Form 1 for the gun with a full-length stock.

 

[jollymon]

And as someone that lives close to PA with friends I there to shoot with on spur of the moment this sucks. I’ll submit a request for every weekend

I've been sitting down with 12 ,5320's , One for each month , fill them out for Friday to Monday for each weekend in that month and send them in 3 to a envelope , I've been doing it that way for years never had a problem

 

[4guyz1stool]

No LAW folder or other brands I'm guessing. Those only work in MD on a pistol brace build.

 

[Oh3]

I've been sitting down with 12 ,5320's , One for each month , fill them out for Friday to Monday for each weekend in that month and send them in 3 to a envelope , I've been doing it that way for years never had a problem

Thanks. Glad to know I won’t be the only one.

 

[Doctor_M]

I think you can fill out a 5320 for 364 days. So basically on per year if you are taking your NFA item to the same location.

 

[Inigoes]

I've been sitting down with 12 ,5320's , One for each month , fill them out for Friday to Monday for each weekend in that month and send them in 3 to a envelope , I've been doing it that way for years never had a problem

I do 5320s for an entire year. for each NFA item.

Otherwise the paper drill would be to cumbersome.

 

[niftyvt]

I think you can fill out a 5320 for 364 days. So basically on per year if you are taking your NFA item to the same location.

Yes. Just fill it out for 1 year and your good. I submit a bunch of different forms for different locations every year. Some are just in case locations where I might possible go to a training class or say a family members house that I might visit.

I just double checked my approved forms and I have exactly a year filled in. 9,1,2020 to 9,1,2021 for example.

 

[daNattyFatty]

I’ve only ever submitted 1 form 20, covering the entire calendar year.

Which reminds me, I gotta do 2021’s.


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[Oh3]

Good to know about the 364 day form. That’ll save time.

 

[spoon059]

Very true. Although i personally dont think they are going to come around kicking in doors..it can be done administratively weaponizing the IRS..Simply cut off access to your income until you comply..

In your case they will simply terminate you as a felon if you refuse to comply

I agree, I don't think they will come kicking in doors. If they ban them, that means no more gun ranges, gun shows or gun stores. That means no more bullets to the retail market. That means no more reloading supplies. People that are out and about with guns will get arrested for possession and they will get seized that way.

I don't see a door to door confiscation, I see squeezing on all sides and making it impossible to shoot a gun. I see "mandatory" turn ins, and they will destroy (or make disappear) whatever guns are turned in. I think Dave Chappelle made a joke years ago about keeping guns legal, but making bullets cost $1000. Now you REALLY gotta want to kill someone to putting thousand dollar holes in them...

 

[babalou]

Amazin how many in gov are now anti COTUS and anti people. Like how it started the first time

 

[MaxVO2]

I agree, I don't think they will come kicking in doors. If they ban them, that means no more gun ranges, gun shows or gun stores. That means no more bullets to the retail market. That means no more reloading supplies. People that are out and about with guns will get arrested for possession and they will get seized that way.

I don't see a door to door confiscation, I see squeezing on all sides and making it impossible to shoot a gun. I see "mandatory" turn ins, and they will destroy (or make disappear) whatever guns are turned in. I think Dave Chappelle made a joke years ago about keeping guns legal, but making bullets cost $1000. Now you REALLY gotta want to kill someone to putting thousand dollar holes in them...

****Yea. I think you are right. We live in a digital economy now and the powers that be can easily put liens, confiscate or freeze bank accounts, garnish wages, or do any number of legal things to get people to comply.

Yes, there are folks that can live off the grid, have a ton of beef jerky and MRE's, bullets, guns, fish antibiotics, and cash hoarded but they are the exception. Most regular folks have regular jobs, pay taxes, send their kiddies to school, have mortgages, car loans, pets, perhaps own a nice Ghillie suit, body armor, and those cool tactical tomahawks the NRA sells that look so badass but don't really work all that well... Ultimately most people have a lot to lose if the screws get turned badly enough.

Door to door confiscation is very unlikely, and word would spread quickly if such a thing were to happen. Authorities would have to mebbe send bachelors and un-married social workers so as to not make lots of widows and orphans, etc..

I don't see a lot of the above happening, but that doesn't mean you don't prepare for whatever is likely to happen if things go sideways.

Personally, I am happy just being left alone. I'm not harmless, but I'm not apt to just start trouble unless there is good reason to do so.

I've dealt with hardship in my life, like most others have, but like my heated fuzzy bear slippers, warm bed, and Netflix too much to give it up for just any old reason...

Okok, losing my gun rights would be a reason... FINE.

 

[blipper]

The comment period is also in violation of Federal law which requires 90 days for comments prior to implementing a proposed rule.

That's why they're describing it as "guidance," rather than as a "rule."

 

[Phoenixsm]

Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with “Stabilizing Braces”

Received an email from ATF about what they intend with the braces:

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...ing-weapons-with-stabilizing-braces#addresses

Here is the link for public comments (due NLT 4 January):

https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=ATF-2020-0001-0001

 

[GutPile]

We need a coat hanger BAN not a pistol brace BAN dawg gone IT!!!

Coat Hanger Machine Gun DIAS (Drop In Auto Sear) it is a coat hanger and will fail 200-500 rounds then your itch of full auto has been solved. I think the rear shelf of your receiver has to be lowered not sure what U have to fit the piece.



https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/01/04/coat-hanger-machine-gun-dias-drop-in-auto-sear/

Dont' forget the iphone stands.

 

[kmb]

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...ing-weapons-with-stabilizing-braces#addresses

send in your feedback and comments

 

[Bertfish]

I'll repeat my previous post here. Their proposed rule is super ambiguous. Lots left up to them. Do they expect people to hand in their property to be "checked" and then told if they can leave it as is or register it? F that

 

[cantstop]

Received an email from ATF about what they intend with the braces:

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...ing-weapons-with-stabilizing-braces#addresses

Am I reading this right. They are waving the $$$ for an SBR tax stamp.

Does your own homemade stabilizing brace qualify?

 

[alucard0822]

comments are open, not many yet, so spread it far and wide and leave one as eloquent or rude as you wish. Don't have to leave much info if you are worried about your dog's safety, but a flood of brief well thought out comments can't hurt. I went with the "creating millions of criminals out of peaceful people that bought a lawful product / polite F-you" angle. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/18/2020-27857/objective-factors-for-classifying-weapons-with-stabilizing-braces