VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!

[Brooklyn]

Gura is tying the new law to the old. Painting DC as simply ignoring the courts order.

Sure but why? The order is moot as soon as they appeal. Contempt ? Not with the current circuit split.. and even then contempt is a high bar and in practice higher for a co equal branch of government..

Maybe to give SCOTUS even more reason to grant cert in the other cases... ..

The case in favor of contempt is weak baring some smoking gun.

He must know what he is doing...

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Sure but why? The order is moot as soon as they appeal. Contempt ? Not with the current circuit split.. and even then contempt is a high bar and in practice higher for a co equal branch of government..

Maybe to give SCOTUS even more reason to grant cert in the other cases... ..

The case in favor of contempt is weak baring some smoking gun.

He must know what he is doing...

Could be as simple as moving the middle ground. All of a sudden, smacking DC over the head and forcing them to comply with the original order is a compromise between letting them flagrantly violate the order and holding them in contempt. We can only speculate at this point. And perhaps that's the idea as well; keep the opposition off balance and confused, attacking from multiple angles, until they're so turned around they can barely defend themselves.

 

[press1280]

Contempt was never going to happen.. I wish I knew what Gura is driving at...he must know contempt was a long shot..

I am struck by the DC claim that the order was to vague...they seam to want the court to isuue an opinion that they will like even less.

Is there any procedural method under which this can happen?

Also if Dc can not even take applications at this time is the new scheme even in place?
I wonder was gura is up to.

The contempt motion seems more of a procedural thing than Gura thinking DC would actually be held in contempt.
The way I see it now we have DC who is attaching the "constitutionality" of their licensing law to Woollard, Kachalsky, and Drake, and not to addressing the plaintiffs' injury, while plaintiffs want to be made whole (with a license that is obtainable for the ordinary citizen, not the ordinary unicorn).

 

[krucam]

Gura filed their Response to DC's Motion for Abeyance in DC Circuit.

12/08/2014 Open Document RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION FILED [1526088] by George Lyon, Amy McVey, Tom G. Palmer, Edward Raymond and Second Amendment Foundation, Inc. to motion to hold case in abeyance [1524398-2] [Service Date: 12/08/2014 by CM/ECF NDA] Pages: 1-10. [14-7180] (Gura, Alan

Not just no, but **** no....

 

[DC-W]

Once again, that's the people's elbow.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Left column of drudge today has 3 articles including an Emily Miller piece.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/27600498/how-to-prove-a-special-danger-to-get-a-gun-carry-permit-in-dc

 

[wolfwood]

Man I've never seen anything by Gura with such an angry tone.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Gura filed their Response to DC's Motion for Abeyance in DC Circuit.



Not just no, but **** no....

Ahhhh....

That was a great quick read.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Man I've never seen anything by Gura with such an angry tone.

I'm pretty sure if he had written that on a forum, it would have gotten him banned in one post (unless of course the administrators/owners/moderators agreed with it).

 

[GTOGUNNER]

http://www.mdshooters.com/images/smilies/bowdown.gif
Alan Gura

In reality, win or lose this case, surely from my POV, it won't be do to
a sucky Attorney.

Gura should have asked for an extension due to the Brown Grand Jury decision.

 

[press1280]

Left column of drudge today has 3 articles including an Emily Miller piece.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/27600498/how-to-prove-a-special-danger-to-get-a-gun-carry-permit-in-dc

It says 47 have applied, 2 have been approved. No word on if the other 45 are pending or rejected.

 

[krucam]

Today was the day for the Plaintiffs (in DC District Court) Reply Brief to DC's Response Brief regarding whether the District should be held in contempt...the Reply Brief is attached.

This Court indeed
has the power to retain jurisdiction and ensure that the City not flout its decree by pouring the
wine of an old, unconstitutional prohibition into a new, illusory-licensing bottle. The claim that
this Court may only remedy the old law’s “effects,” but not technically “new” violations, is
simply untrue.

 

[Bob A]

I found the "old wine into a new bottle" analogy pleasant as well. After enough re-bottling, old wine becomes vinegar. I suspect the DC legislators will be tasting sour grapes soon, though not too soon for me.

May they choke on it.

 

[m4strmind]

Today was the day for the Plaintiffs (in DC District Court) Reply Brief to DC's Response Brief regarding whether the District should be held in contempt...the Reply Brief is attached.

Well, that's one of the most enjoyable reads i've had in a while.

I cant wait till they use it to smack down MD

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Well, that's one of the most enjoyable reads i've had in a while.

I cant wait till they use it to smack down MD

Gotta wait for it to make it to SCOTUS. Unfortunately. If Palmer is the vehicle, we are looking at like 2016 to make it to SCOTUS, which means probably 2018~2020 before it's applicable to MD. Of course, there is Peruta & HI's case.

Love the wine reference.

 

[randian]

CA9 is going to eviscerate Peruta and Baker. The shenanigans have already begun.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

CA9 is going to eviscerate Peruta and Baker. The shenanigans have already begun.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

CA9 is going to eviscerate Peruta and Baker. The shenanigans have already begun.

Context please?

 

[Inigoes]

CA9 is going to eviscerate Peruta and Baker. The shenanigans have already begun.

Context please?

There is a thread for that discussion http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=41317

 

[fightinbluhen51]

There is a thread for that discussion http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=41317

I see what you did there.