Too much info? scary

[stank]

Just traded guns with someone and went to MSP to do it. I cant believe you have swap SS# on the forms with potentialy people you dont know. Is there any way around giving up the info to a stranger when buying guns?

 

[Ethan83]

Every time I've bought a gun it's said that the SSN was optional, just there to avoid misidentification if you choose to provide it. Unless I'm only remembering the paperwork for long guns, and not handguns?

 

[MDFF2008]

I believe it was optional on the handgun paperwork too. It says that providing it is optional but can help to refuse mis-identifications.

 

[K-Romulus]

Just traded guns with someone and went to MSP to do it. I cant believe you have swap SS# on the forms with potentially people you don't know. Is there any way around giving up the info to a stranger when buying guns?

I was PM'd by a worker at a known "good-reputation-here on the site" shop who told me that they have a SSN optional policy with the MSP paperwork, and they all go through. You could try it and see what happens. The federal 4473 form explicitly says that the SSN is optional.

Another option is to scratch out the SSN on the paperwork when it comes back. A third option is to have a FFL do the transfer, that way only the shop may get privy to the SSN.

This SSN issue is something that's burned me up .. one day I'll have the guts to challenge it. VA and GA RKBA groups have successfully done it; conditioning any state, local, or fed govt. service on the provision of the SSN is against federal law unless the request was specifically authorized by Congress.

The MSP fingerprint cards ask for the SSN, with an asterisk disclaimer claiming that the request "is in compliance with fed law," whatever that means. Does that mean you can refuse to provide it, or that MSP has that specific Congressional authorization to require the SSN?

 

[stank]

The back of the form says fill out SS# and nothing about optional, I mentioned it to the officer and he said nothing to differ so we just filled it out. I am not worried aout yesterdays transfer but if I ever buy from a stranger I would be.

 

[tdt91]

The back of the form says fill out SS# and nothing about optional, I mentioned it to the officer and he said nothing to differ so we just filled it out. I am not worried aout yesterdays transfer but if I ever buy from a stranger I would be.

Just scratch the number out on the other guys copy. no gib deal. I did it a few weeks ago at the Benson Barracks. no need for the other guy to have your SSN.

 

[novus collectus]

A legal alien here who meets the qualifications for purchase of a firearm but who is not here to work on their visa would not have a SS# as I understand it and therefore if they can buy a regulated firearm without a SS#, then so can we all by default as I see it.