Teachers slams 2nd Amendment .

[BusDriver]

I have been surfin around the PA news and this stuff keeps popin up . I hope PA doesn't go the way of MD, NJ and NY .

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-quakertown-teacher-allegations-20110325,0,97901.story


Thread title correction : Teacher slams 2nd amendment.

 

[GNLaFrance]

This is just another fart in a hurricane. The gun control debate is over, and we won. Some anti-gunners know it and some haven't figured it out yet. We will keep on winning.

 

[BusDriver]

This is just another fart in a hurricane. The gun control debate is over, and we won. Some anti-gunners know it and some haven't figured it out yet. We will keep on winning.

Unfortunately this debate is never over .

 

[EL1227]

 

[GNLaFrance]

Unfortunately this debate is never over .

The discussion, probably not, but I don't see our gains being rolled back again. The only members of Congress who'll even speak of a new Assault Weapons Ban are the ones with solid moonbat voting blocs behind them. Most of them are avoiding gun control because it's political death.

 

[z_darktemplar]

Sharing your political views as a teacher and laying on criticism over political affiliation is fine, to criticize part of our constitution is wrong.

 

[JOBU]

In any other area of employment this sad-excuse for a public school teacher would've been fire. But wait till the Union shows up demanding that he has protection under the
the 1st Amendment, but God forbid anyone brings about the debate on public unions and you'll get shut down in a second.

 

[Auckland]

But wait till the Union shows up demanding that he has protection under the
the 1st Amendment,

And then they should be told that the 1st amendment is a result of the 2nd.

 

[Fester60]

I teach high school American Government, and when I'm done students have a better understanding of the purpose and need for the 2nd amendment.

 

[EL1227]

I teach high school American Government, and when I'm done students have a better understanding of the purpose and need for the 2nd amendment.

Do you think you're in the majority of teachers in that field ? I could sleep better at night if you were.

 

[MikeTF]

Sharing your political views as a teacher and laying on criticism over political affiliation is fine, to criticize part of our constitution is wrong.

I would agree with you, provided that the opposing point of view is also discussed. Let us remember that our kids in school are not adults and do not have fully developed brains. In Montgomery County, we don't want our teachers brainwashing our kids to follow a specific political religion (socialism). It's bad enough that 8 of the 10 books that my eight grade daughter is required to read this year have a recurring message that paints white males as the evil abusers of minorities (Native Americans, Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics) and women.

 

[Schwall]

Instead of becoming incensed immediately, maybe you should do some more digging. I have no idea about what actuly happened in this class an neither does anyone here. All I know is that a politician has jumped all over a letter from a parent in order to get his name out there.

When I was in school, one of my favorite teachers loved to start discussions by talking about anything controversial, and usually taking a ridiculous stance on whatever the issue was. Years later, I found out he was a pretty moderate guy. He was jut trying to get his students to think critically, consider different viewpoints and rationally discuss an issue.

I do the same thing with my students. I've argued that our Founding Fathers were anarchists, argued both for and against Obama's healthcare plan, for gun control, different economic plans and systems.

Again I don't know what exactly happened in this classroom, but for now I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

 

[krucam]

Meh...one clause in the whole article: "...the teacher espoused beliefs that the Second Amendment has no place in contemporary society " doesn't equate to slamming the Second Amendment IMHO.

Much ado...

 

[BondJamesBond]

This is just another fart in a hurricane. The gun control debate is over, and we won. Some anti-gunners know it and some haven't figured it out yet. We will keep on winning.

As long a Supreme Court Justices are human, it will never be over. You lose Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, or Alito while a Dem is in office and Heller goes right out the window. Stare decisis doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

[BusDriver]

Instead of becoming incensed immediately, maybe you should do some more digging. I have no idea about what actuly happened in this class an neither does anyone here. All I know is that a politician has jumped all over a letter from a parent in order to get his name out there.

When I was in school, one of my favorite teachers loved to start discussions by talking about anything controversial, and usually taking a ridiculous stance on whatever the issue was. Years later, I found out he was a pretty moderate guy. He was jut trying to get his students to think critically, consider different viewpoints and rationally discuss an issue.

I do the same thing with my students. I've argued that our Founding Fathers were anarchists, argued both for and against Obama's healthcare plan, for gun control, different economic plans and systems.

Again I don't know what exactly happened in this classroom, but for now I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Why do you think I posted this in the first place .

 

[MikeTF]

Instead of becoming incensed immediately, maybe you should do some more digging. I have no idea about what actuly happened in this class an neither does anyone here. All I know is that a politician has jumped all over a letter from a parent in order to get his name out there.

When I was in school, one of my favorite teachers loved to start discussions by talking about anything controversial, and usually taking a ridiculous stance on whatever the issue was. Years later, I found out he was a pretty moderate guy. He was jut trying to get his students to think critically, consider different viewpoints and rationally discuss an issue.

I do the same thing with my students. I've argued that our Founding Fathers were anarchists, argued both for and against Obama's healthcare plan, for gun control, different economic plans and systems.

Again I don't know what exactly happened in this classroom, but for now I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Aren't those subjects more suitable to a collegiate environment where a student's brain is more developed and they are expanding their view of the world based on detailed studies, instead of what is spoon fed to them by the main stream media?

Couldn't school systems focus more on simple things like etiquette and civilized behavior? Will some of our youth ever discover that MF is two words, not one, and not widely used by those that are productive and respectable members of society?

 

[BusDriver]

The discussion, probably not, but I don't see our gains being rolled back again. The only members of Congress who'll even speak of a new Assault Weapons Ban are the ones with solid moonbat voting blocs behind them. Most of them are avoiding gun control because it's political death.

Ever Vigilant .

 

[Schwall]

Aren't those subjects more suitable to a collegiate environment where a student's brain is more developed and they are expanding their view of the world based on detailed studies, instead of what is spoon fed to them by the main stream media?

Couldn't school systems focus more on simple things like etiquette and civilized behavior? Will some of our youth ever discover that MF is two words, not one, and not widely used by those that are productive and respectable members of society?

It's not the subjects that are important, it's the skills that having the discussions encourage - Critical thinking, logic, problem solving, and the ability to politely and rationally verbalize what one is thinking. These are all skills that need to be adressed, especially in HS, as they a necessary in any workplace. Not every student goes to college, but every student eventually needs to work.

And, I'm sorry but a teacher's focus should not to teach kids etiquette and appropriate behavior - that should have been addressed long ago in the home and by the parents. As a parent myself, I have certain responsibilities. The most important of which is to raise my kids properly - not to dump them off at school and hope the teachers do it for me.

 

[GNLaFrance]

Ever Vigilant .

Yes, Semper Vigilans. I never meant to say we could relax now that we have the Supreme Court decisions, widespread "shall issue" concealed carry, etc. We lost our liberties to begin with because we weren't paying attention. I mean "we" in the general - American citizens.

 

[z_darktemplar]

Aren't those subjects more suitable to a collegiate environment where a student's brain is more developed and they are expanding their view of the world based on detailed studies, instead of what is spoon fed to them by the main stream media?

Couldn't school systems focus more on simple things like etiquette and civilized behavior? Will some of our youth ever discover that MF is two words, not one, and not widely used by those that are productive and respectable members of society?

There is nothing wrong with talking about controversial topics depending on what they are in grade school. I've known teachers like that in middle school and high school and in my opinion helps the student become more informed. However I do agree that our schools should also teach a little bit of etiquette and civilized behavior even though the main responsibility for that lies with parents.

Let me make it clear to everybody that in my entire time in the Montgomery County school system from K-12 and then to the University of Maryland system, not once do I recall any teacher or professor criticizing the 2nd Amendment.