TAKING FIREARMS FOR DEFENDING PROPERTY

[John from MD]

You have a "horde" in YOUR front yard, screaming for blood, what will your 2A ass do? I can tell you what it would do. It would run inside and grab a handful of 2A righteousness and stand on your stoop. That's what your 2A ass would do. Just like they did.
Money doesn't matter when it comes to rights and liberty. We are all on the same field of battle. It's not liberty for some. It's liberty for ALL.

"The Clown wills it!"

 

[jr88]

They are the American Dream.

I'm not wealthy, but I do well. I have lost people as friends because they couldn't get over the idea that I was a doctor and assumed I thought I was better than everyone. Some people need to get over themselves.

Seems a lot of folks getting butt hurt about the wealth thing, I didn't say wealthy people shouldn't exercise their 2A Rights I said these particular Wealthy people came outside of their home and became the aggressors. The protesters were indeed trespassing by entering the Estate, their house is the first house on the right that they had to walk by. But they decided to stand out front aiming firearms at the protesters while yelling at them.
Now while I realize Missouri has a Stand Your Ground Law, they should have stayed in their homes until some someone actually came on their property and posed a threat.

All you folks talking shit about shooting someone are part of the problem. Using a lethal weapon should be the last resort. Letting the mob know you even have them was also a mistake. If you are getting your manhood hurt because you can't kill someone for walking on your sidewalk you have never had kill another human. I bet if you ask LEO if they would have fired into the mob just for yelling the will say no, or maybe they should find a new job.

As for DOC's claim of "They are the American Dream" REALLY ?

They are both personal injury Lawyers living in a 2 Million Dollar Mansion in ST. Louis where the median home value is 131K. Why ? Probably because they made their money suing people on behalf of their largely minority client base from the area. Honestly, most lawyers are more of a nightmare than a dream.
Doc, if you have friends that equate income with "Better than them" you need to lose them, seems pretty shallow. My Doctor Tom Harries deserves every penny he makes for learning how to replace knees and hips. One of the most respected men I know is Pastor Art Snow, a little Jewish guy who is pastor and has never made more than 40K a year. Maybe some of you folks who got offended because I didn't agree with a wealthy white person need to "get over yourselves" or maybe you are suffering from that thing the protestors call white guilt.

 

[jr88]

You have a "horde" in YOUR front yard, screaming for blood, what will your 2A ass do? I can tell you what it would do. It would run inside and grab a handful of 2A righteousness and stand on your stoop. That's what your 2A ass would do. Just like they did.
Money doesn't matter when it comes to rights and liberty. We are all on the same field of battle. It's not liberty for some. It's liberty for ALL.

LOL, Really. Do you think 2 people with 2 firearms are going to defeat that crowd ? Missouri is open carry I'm sure a few had firearms on them. Do you really think the smart thing to do is go to battle with them unless absolutely needed ? They should call the police who would respond to that neighborhood, for god sakes the mayor lives there.
If they did do this and lived, I know some black folks who would have their own mansions when the lawsuits ended. It's comments like some in this thread that are getting are guns taken away.

 

[Rambler]

I am sure this will all come out in a court case. Even if you own your home, you do not own the road in front of it; the town does. But these gated communities are generally HOAs and the lands other than each lot/yard are collectively held by the HOA Inc. The specifics vary by state. The point is that the area inside the gate but not necessarily their private yard may actually be "theirs" by common shared ownership. It will be interesting to see how brandishing versus stand your ground plays out under these circumstances.

Regarding wealth and firearms rights, many gun laws in this country have as their historic basis a desire to disarm at the time, mostly poorer black American citizens. This eat the rich attitude versus wealthy gun owners is just as wrong. We all have the same rights.

 

[Tungsten]

They should call the police who would respond to that neighborhood, for god sakes the mayor lives there. :

1. The mayor does not live in that neighborhood.
2. The police have shown no interest in protecting people from BLM terrorists.

Now please, continue on with your fantasy.

 

[Occam]

They should call the police who would respond to that neighborhood, for god sakes the mayor lives there.

No, the mayor does NOT live there. The people who threatened to kill the homeowners, burn them down (and kill their dog for good measure) went out of their way - literally and figuratively - to steer away from the route to their planned siege on the mayor’s house. You know, the route that other protestors had literally painted on the street with big arrows.

The went out of their way to put on a threatening spectacle on private property. They were NOT a “passing” mob. They were a mob standing exactly where they wanted to be as part of their day’s planned intimidation and social media harvesting. The completely different neighborhood that was their next stop would have been easier to get to the way their handlers with painted arrows told them. But no: some threat theater was in order. On private property.

Quit pretending you don’t know these facts.

 

[outrider58]

LOL, Really. Do you think 2 people with 2 firearms are going to defeat that crowd ? Missouri is open carry I'm sure a few had firearms on them. Do you really think the smart thing to do is go to battle with them unless absolutely needed ? They should call the police who would respond to that neighborhood, for god sakes the mayor lives there.
If they did do this and lived, I know some black folks who would have their own mansions when the lawsuits ended. It's comments like some in this thread that are getting are guns taken away.

I'll ask one more time, plainly this time so you can understand me, what would you have done?

 

[teratos]

Maybe some of you folks who got offended because I didn't agree with a wealthy white person need to "get over yourselves" or maybe you are suffering from that thing the protestors call white guilt.

LOL. You missed what I was trying to say. People who hate the wealthy need to get over themselves.

Yes, they are the American Dream. They broke no laws to amass their wealth. While I don't hold a high opinion of personal injury attorneys, that does not negate the fact that they have done very well for themselves, and earned their money in a legal manner.

 

[outrider58]

LOL. You missed what I was trying to say. People who hate the wealthy need to get over themselves.

Yes, they are the American Dream. They broke no laws to amass their wealth. While I don't hold a high opinion of personal injury attorneys, that does not negate the fact that they have done very well for themselves, and earned their money in a legal manner.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[jr88]

No, the mayor does NOT live there. The people who threatened to kill the homeowners, burn them down (and kill their dog for good measure) went out of their way - literally and figuratively - to steer away from the route to their planned siege on the mayor’s house. You know, the route that other protestors had literally painted on the street with big arrows.

The went out of their way to put on a threatening spectacle on private property. They were NOT a “passing” mob. They were a mob standing exactly where they wanted to be as part of their day’s planned intimidation and social media harvesting. The completely different neighborhood that was their next stop would have been easier to get to the way their handlers with painted arrows told them. But no: some threat theater was in order. On private property.

Quit pretending you don’t know these facts.

I do not know these facts, could you please provide a link to where this is documented. I have researched way more than I care to about this anyway in an attempt to determine the truth. But at this point I really don't care who shoots who. Also Why in the F*CK would I pretend anything, do you think I am an ANTIFA/BLM sympathizer ? I just refuse to be pawn to be used for any side of this what started out to be a conversation to attempt to discover the facts.

 

[aquaman]

80% always.

Never be without a ghost. The government wants to side with the mob.

 

[Glaron]

LOL, Really. Do you think 2 people with 2 firearms are going to defeat that crowd ?

The fact is the MSM is trying destroy the morale of the working American by siding with the mob.

Now let's discuss that. The mob said we kill you, burn your house, rape your dog.

Will one 30 round mad stop that? NO! **** no. We are not talk talking the the ****ing charge of the light brigade then are we? Useful idiots, mobs and fear for free shit. They will fold after one shot. Leftist Government is on their side. I don't fear the mob, I fear the leftists installed in Government positions.

 

[rbird7282]

The fact that they only took the two weapons used in the "incident" seems reasonable. If that is all they have then shame on them. I actually think it's funny when people in the top 10% living in gated communities finally feel the need to exercise 2A Rights. The BLM crowd in front of their Mansion was probably the first minorities other than landscapers they ever saw on their street. The way they went out like amateurs waving guns is almost comical. You would think as attorneys they would know better.


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Seriously? Because minorities couldn't possibly have earned enough money to live in that same community right?
Not sure why it's amusing that they're exercising their 2A rights. I say good for them.
They probably should've gone out and just pointed them at the ground, the crowd most likely would've left.

Seems a lot of folks getting butt hurt about the wealth thing, I didn't say wealthy people shouldn't exercise their 2A Rights I said these particular Wealthy people came outside of their home and became the aggressors. The protesters were indeed trespassing by entering the Estate, their house is the first house on the right that they had to walk by. But they decided to stand out front aiming firearms at the protesters while yelling at them.
Now while I realize Missouri has a Stand Your Ground Law, they should have stayed in their homes until some someone actually came on their property and posed a threat.
This has been covered multiple times but I'll say it again, the protesters were on the homeowner's property. The mob was threatening to burn down their house and kill them.
All you folks talking shit about shooting someone are part of the problem. Using a lethal weapon should be the last resort. Letting the mob know you even have them was also a mistake. If you are getting your manhood hurt because you can't kill someone for walking on your sidewalk you have never had kill another human. I bet if you ask LEO if they would have fired into the mob just for yelling the will say no, or maybe they should find a new job.

As for DOC's claim of "They are the American Dream" REALLY ?

They are both personal injury Lawyers living in a 2 Million Dollar Mansion in ST. Louis where the median home value is 131K. Why ? Probably because they made their money suing people on behalf of their largely minority client base from the area. Honestly, most lawyers are more of a nightmare than a dream.
Doc, if you have friends that equate income with "Better than them" you need to lose them, seems pretty shallow. My Doctor Tom Harries deserves every penny he makes for learning how to replace knees and hips. One of the most respected men I know is Pastor Art Snow, a little Jewish guy who is pastor and has never made more than 40K a year. Maybe some of you folks who got offended because I didn't agree with a wealthy white person need to "get over yourselves" or maybe you are suffering from that thing the protestors call white guilt.

Who gives a shit how they made their money as long as it was legal. Don't really have much love for personal injury attorneys but don't hold it against them either.
However as long as their wealth was obtained legally, if they want to live in a big ass mansion, good for them.

LOL, Really. Do you think 2 people with 2 firearms are going to defeat that crowd ? Missouri is open carry I'm sure a few had firearms on them. Do you really think the smart thing to do is go to battle with them unless absolutely needed ? They should call the police who would respond to that neighborhood, for god sakes the mayor lives there.
If they did do this and lived, I know some black folks who would have their own mansions when the lawsuits ended. It's comments like some in this thread that are getting are guns taken away.

Yes they would defeat the crowd because after they dropped one or two the rest would take off.

 

[PowPow]

"The Clown wills it!"

No need to read the rest of the thread after this post, because it invoked the sacred emoticon:

And, we like clowns.

 

[teratos]

No need to read the rest of the thread after this post, because it invoked the sacred emoticon:

And, we like clowns.

Clowns are creepy.

 

[Sirex]

This is the DA pandering to the protestors, and quietly giving his stamp of approval to go back and seek "justice" since they have been disarmed. Now, I hope they have back up weapons. I also thought Missouri was a stand your ground state. The minute the angry mob physically broke down their gate, and trepassed on their property, they were a threat. Just the act of deterrence was self defense. They made a show of force, and survived. The crowd did get rowdy, and made threats according to video. I can understand the wife may not have been well trained, as well as terrified. She was obviously in fear for her life. The man, while not perfect seemed to have better control than she did. They also warned the mob to get off their property multiple times.

From what I read, after this their business got attacked by the cancel culture. They have received threats. The police didn't protect them the night of the trespassing, and declined to provide protection after the incident. I also read private contractors declined the job. I read one article saying some sheriffs stepped up offering support. So, we have a prime example of why citizens need to be armed. I doubt the "eat the rich" mob would have just peacefully walked by their mansion without inflicting any damage that night had they not made a show of force. This is the government giving in to the angry mob. I hope if the mob returns to take vengeance they escape to sue the city into bankruptcy. The government is either unwilling or unable to protect citizens from leftist terrorists. So, don't rely on the government. They aren't here to help us. And have back ups.

 

[bigmancrisler]

Guys the point of the thread wasn’t debating whether or not they were in the wrong but in where we draw the line in the government infringing our rights. And what we can/should do to get them to stop.

 

[Blacksmith101]

The Missouri law says in part (my emphasis):

A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:

After watching riots on TV 24/7 for awhile which includes images of looting, property damage, arson, and beatings who does not have a "reasonable belief that force will be necessary to defend yourself" when the mob shows up on your property?

 

[Bob A]

I'm getting tired of Marxist/Alinskyite trolls.

I worked for 55 years to get to where I am, and I resent the mindset that would require me to permit a mob of domestic terrorists to threaten me and mine with bodily harm.

As I see it, the American Dream is to be left the hell alone, to enjoy the fruits of one's labor in the bosom of one's family. If the present American government cannot make that happen, I guess individual Americans will have to do it on their own.

Meanwhile, being hectored by far-left propagandists is certainly annoying, especially when they make it glaringly obvious that their sole intention is to buzz around like some sort of insect, irritating everyone with whom they come into contact. It's like they all work for the Lord of the Flies.

It's somewhat comforting to think that if they should somehow get the sort of society they are working for, they'll end up being squashed like the vermin they are.

 

[OLM-Medic]

The story I read said the warrant was for the guns only.

Prime reason to hide some guns offsite so you can pull them out and defend yourself if they are confiscated.