Supreme Court remits MD assault weapons ban back to lower courts in light of Bruen vs. NY ruling

[hdatontodo]

Can someone recap this thread for me?

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I was joking. Thanks.

 

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[fabsroman]

I was joking. Thanks.

I was just going to reply that you were most likely joking. Only 603 people don't understand what this case is about? I would say that is pretty darn good.

 

[lazarus]

It was definitely meant to create a barrier to exercising one's constitutional rights.
It is hysterical that D's call everything that has a disparate impact on the poor or minorities as racist, classist, and unconstitutional, unless it is something they wish to inflict.
Someone here did the math. It costs over $1000 for a married couple to get carry permits and almost that much every two years to renew. The rulers of MD only want the gov't and criminals to have guns.
If too many mere mortal citizens have guns, then their cash tip income goes away. Public corruption is highest where lawful gun ownership is the most restricted.

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That is probably ballpark of the average.

That said, market forces and all of that, it is possible for a married couple to do it for more like $500-700 and somewhat less every 3 years (it isn't every 2. It is 2-3 years for the first time, then 3 years after that). You certainly have to do some bargain hunting to get there though. I agree, it is a very hard economic pill to swallow, especially for poor or lower middle-class people (hell, I am upper middle class and it still wasn't a throw away cost). Just doing some quick poking, most places seem to be charging about 2/3rds the cost for a renewal class as the full 16hr class. Plus the renewal MSP fee is $50, not $75. And no new fingerprints required, which saves a further $60-100.

So really, on a renewal you are looking at more in the ballpark of $500-600 average for a couple to renew, versus around $800-1000 as the average cost to get the permit to start with. Bargain shopping could likely have the renewal at $350-500 on a renewal and $500-700 on a new permit for a couple.

Of note, in regards to public corruption convictions, there is actually no clear indication that gun restrictions have an iota to do with it.

The Most Corrupt States In America [Infographic]

The United States saw close to 20,000 public corruption convictions over the past decade.

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The top states are mixed bag of almost no gun restrictions and heavy gun restrictions. And frankly, I don't think you can include DC in it has its the seat of power, and the most likely to attract such convictions. Especially since many federal public corruption cases will be handled by the DC federal courts (such as trials for Congressmen), but it is reported per inhabitant.

 

[fabsroman]

That is probably ballpark of the average.

That said, market forces and all of that, it is possible for a married couple to do it for more like $500-700 and somewhat less every 3 years (it isn't every 2. It is 2-3 years for the first time, then 3 years after that). You certainly have to do some bargain hunting to get there though. I agree, it is a very hard economic pill to swallow, especially for poor or lower middle-class people (hell, I am upper middle class and it still wasn't a throw away cost). Just doing some quick poking, most places seem to be charging about 2/3rds the cost for a renewal class as the full 16hr class. Plus the renewal MSP fee is $50, not $75. And no new fingerprints required, which saves a further $60-100.

So really, on a renewal you are looking at more in the ballpark of $500-600 average for a couple to renew, versus around $800-1000 as the average cost to get the permit to start with. Bargain shopping could likely have the renewal at $350-500 on a renewal and $500-700 on a new permit for a couple.

Of note, in regards to public corruption convictions, there is actually no clear indication that gun restrictions have an iota to do with it.

The Most Corrupt States In America [Infographic]

The United States saw close to 20,000 public corruption convictions over the past decade.

www.forbes.com

The top states are mixed bag of almost no gun restrictions and heavy gun restrictions. And frankly, I don't think you can include DC in it has its the seat of power, and the most likely to attract such convictions. Especially since many federal public corruption cases will be handled by the DC federal courts (such as trials for Congressmen), but it is reported per inhabitant.

You take into account the cost of travel to and from the class? What about the lost opportunity cost of not being able to work during the time you need to be in class? Both are items overlooked by those with money that are not worrying about their grocery bill and how they are going to feed their children today. How does somebody without a vehicle in inner Baltimore City get to a class? Is there a class and a range for said class within the inner city? I don't know the answer and am asking in the hope of being educated on the matter so I do not sound like a moron when speaking to others about this.

 

[krucam]

I JUST punched into the YouTube link. As of 10:05am, am I hearing the 1st case? Bianchi is #3....

 

[jmcgonig]

I JUST punched into the YouTube link. As of 10:05am, am I hearing the 1st case? Bianchi is #3....

Yep, first case going over time. Glad that lady isn't on the MD side...

 

[redsandman6]

an hour in and still on the first case. hopefully the second one will go faster

 

[swinokur]

Looks like we got pushed back to 4?

 

[krucam]

Looks like we got pushed back to 4?

I just popped in on the CA4 Docket, Bianchi is still #3...

 

[Stoveman]

Is it me or are a couple of these judges completely dense?

 

[Bertfish]

This lawyer seems bumbling

Not in Bianchi in the case prior

 

[jmcgonig]

Next after the recess... fingers crossed that we sound better than the last guy! (yes, I know we will!)

 

[budman93]

So is this decision likely to take 6 to 8 months to come out like the supreme court or will it be quicker than that because it's a lower court and a rehash of a prior case?

 

[BartExp]

I forgot all about this, I just logged into the YT as they went into recess. Sounds like case is up next.

 

[jmcgonig]

She hates us

 

[lazarus]

You take into account the cost of travel to and from the class? What about the lost opportunity cost of not being able to work during the time you need to be in class? Both are items overlooked by those with money that are not worrying about their grocery bill and how they are going to feed their children today. How does somebody without a vehicle in inner Baltimore City get to a class? Is there a class and a range for said class within the inner city? I don't know the answer and am asking in the hope of being educated on the matter so I do not sound like a moron when speaking to others about this.

Excellent points. Probably should add a lot more variability in the range. Mine were lower ends, which aren't within reach of some people. As with many things, which I'll admit I sometimes forget too, our legislators often forget that doing things often costs poor people more.

Despite eating healthier and typically more expensive foods, I'd bet my family of 5 actually probably spends less on food than many, maybe even most, lower income families and lower middle class families.

Despite my and my wife's work schedules, one of us, almost always me, has the ability, space, and time to cook dinner almost every night, so we rarely have to order prepared meals somewhere. Most of our meals still cost less per person than McDonalds would and is way heathier. So there are future (or current) medical expense savings too.

Getting food at the grocery store is also cheaper. We have the flexibility to go "oh, X thing we like to eat or use is on sale. I'll but half a dozen or a dozen of them and it'll last 4-8 weeks until it is on sale again". Or just buying in bulk, sure I'll buy the 48 roll thing of TP, I don't have to worry that my grocery bill is $10 higher because of it, since it is cheaper overtime in the bulk.

 

[hodgepodge]

Can't stream it at work. I'm counting on you guys.

 

[Stoveman]

She hates us

She's a complete dope.