Successful CCW reasons

[Streetgang]

What we need to do is get a movement of Marylanders to apply for CCW using only one reason for why we want it: "to exercise our 2A rights." Then, when the state denies them, a lawsuit can be brought that, if won (Iknow its a big if), would open the door for ALL Maryland residents to get permits.

 

[krucam]

Adding "Self Defense" as a reason (only necessary due to our being May Issue) should be sufficient one would think. I mean, Heller basically stated this along with a handgun being appropriate for that Self Defense.

Perusing the shenanigans at Annapolis...a bill (SB 746) called the 'Citizens Self-Defense Act' was submitted last year, adding only 3 words to existing criteria for CCW issuance...those 3 words were:
'Self Defense or'

http://mlis.state.md.us/2009rs/bills/sb/sb0746f.pdf

It died a very quick death after 1st reading while in...are you sitting down?...the Senate Judicial Proceedings committee.
http://mlis.state.md.us/2009rs/billfile/SB0746.htm

Enough of this already. I wish those trying the system well. In the mean time, we need to get people like Frosh out of their abused positions. We need a positive ruling and positive interpretation/guidance of standards of review by the SCOTUS in McDonald to perhaps turn 'May Issue' to 'Shall Issue', at which point you don't need to worry about any excuse at all so long as you're not otherwise prohibited.

Mark C.

 

[cyclrcr]

My Chiropractor CANNOT write prescriptions and has a CCW. He told me he got it because of being a business owner and a Dr. of Chiro. He doesnt have any restrictions on his CCW and can carry freely.

Miles...

If the chiropractor is the same one that my parents use; they have talked to him about it because of my interests in getting a CCW. Apparently he knows someone within the MSP that pushed his paperwork through for him. This personnal connection is high ranking and works in the permitting area.

Of course... I heard all this second hand, but may offer an explination to his permit reason.

 

[jhason]

This would be nice...

Jhason

Major "back door" IF it can get through Frosh:
http://mlis.state.md.us/2010rs/bills/hb/hb0052f.pdf

Mark C.

 

[K-Romulus]

Has anyone thought about doing a FOIA request on MSP related to the approval/disapproval?

Kharn (I believe) did this years ago in a past life before MDS went on-line. The MSP classifies any info on the reasons for a permit issuance to be an "investigative file" that is exempt from the MD Public Records Act.

All he was able to get was rough data on current permit numbers, renewal numbers, rejection numbers, revocation numbers, sex/race/age info on permit holders, and occupations of the applicants.

Miles...

If the chiropractor is the same one that my parents use; they have talked to him about it because of my interests in getting a CCW. Apparently he knows someone within the MSP that pushed his paperwork through for him. This personnal connection is high ranking and works in the permitting area.

Of course... I heard all this second hand, but may offer an explination to his permit reason.

More "May Issue Madness" BS

 

[Kharn]

I was the one that did a bunch of PIA (Public Information Act; MD's FOIA) digging, but had to stop in 2004 as my employer frowns upon such activities.

 

[jaywade]

Major "back door" IF it can get through Frosh:
http://mlis.state.md.us/2010rs/bills/hb/hb0052f.pdf

Mark C.

if this goes through this could be a big win-win casue out of state permits from those states would still work correct?

 

[systemmaster]

Two cases I know of with permits issued:
1. Business owner who tried a dozen times to get one and finally got it because he moves X amount of cash.
2. Bank manager that does night drops and responds to alarms.

 

[badguyRL]

I've got a novel idea for you. Since Maryland seems so intent on protecting the rights of criminals, over law abiding citizens, we should state our reason to wanting to carry concealed as, "I want to be able to protect myself from an armed homeowner when I rob them."
Considering how back-@$$wards everything else in the state is, maybe that'll work.(?)

 

[twimc]

Two cases I know of with permits issued:
1. Business owner who tried a dozen times to get one and finally got it because he moves X amount of cash.
2. Bank manager that does night drops and responds to alarms.

I wounder if a sole proprietor that makes bank deposits could get a ccw, or wold they frown on such a simple buss. entity?
What about an online buss. that transports a high dollar amount of products to and from his home?
If a business owner gave employees the responsibility to respond to alarms in there job descriptions could this open a door to a ccw?

Just thinking out loud....

 

[Shall Issue]

I wonder if "I just don't want my family to be murdered by burglars and MS13 gang members" would work? Of course it wouldn't. I have faced off with an intruder with my gun locked up down the hall. Obviously I didn't have time to ask him to politely wait in my living room while I retrieved it from the other side of the house. With a CCW I would have been armed on my way back into my home and been able to protect my family and possibly subdue the burglar who fled after we scuffled. Too bad we don't have any "real" threats just being a law-abiding citizen.

 

[jaywade]

I wonder if "I just don't want my family to be murdered by burglars and MS13 gang members" would work? Of course it wouldn't. I have faced off with an intruder with my gun locked up down the hall. Obviously I didn't have time to ask him to politely wait in my living room while I retrieved it from the other side of the house. With a CCW I would have been armed on my way back into my home and been able to protect my family and possibly subdue the burglar who fled after we scuffled. Too bad we don't have any "real" threats just being a law-abiding citizen.

well I'm glad your okay...did they ever catch him?

 

[Atlasarmory]

Terrorists openly threaten Americans. Dose that count as a documented threat ? Go to the MSP Barracks tell them you want to fill out a police report the following people threatened your life
Usama Bin Laden
Ayman Al-Zawahiri
Fahd Al-Quso

Husayn Al-Umari
Wadoud Muhammad Hafiz Al-Turki
Jamal Saeed Abdul Rahim

Muhammad Abdullah Khalil Hussain Ar-Rahayyal
Muhammad Ahmed Al-Munawar
Adam Yahiye Gadahn

Daniel Andreas San Diego
En Espanol
Anas Al-Liby
Fazul Abdullah Mohammed

Ahmed Mohammed Hamed Ali
Jaber A. Elbaneh
Ahmad Ibrahim Al-Mughassil

Abdul Rahman Yasin
Saif Al-Adel
Ibrahim Salih Mohammed Al-Yacoub

Ali Saed Bin Ali El-Hoorie
Abd Al Aziz Awda
Isnilon Totoni Hapilon

Ramadan Abdullah Mohammad Shallah
Jamel Ahmed Mohammed Ali Al-Badawi
Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser

Mohammed Ali Hamadei
Ali Atwa

Hasan Izz-Al-Din

Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah

FBI's most wanted

 

[DeadeyeJack]

One theory

Create an LLC.
State in the bylaws that agents of the LLC are required to be armed.
Submit an CCW application with a copy of the bylaws that the business requires agents(employees) to be armed.

Possible?

 

[Topher]

Create an LLC.
State in the bylaws that agents of the LLC are required to be armed.
Submit an CCW application with a copy of the bylaws that the business requires agents(employees) to be armed.

Possible?

Hell of an idea...
Anyone think it will work?
I am a business (LLC) owner and would love to see if we can work this angle.

Chris

 

[twimc]

Create an LLC.
State in the bylaws that agents of the LLC are required to be armed.
Submit an CCW application with a copy of the bylaws that the business requires agents(employees) to be armed.

Possible?

How do armed security company's get to be armed?
Im sure they jump through more hoops than you could find at a toy store.

 

[Bob A]

My son-in-law used to work armed security in VA, lived in MD. Took him forever to get to carry in MD, and they put loads of restrictions on the permit, and he had to turn it in immediately when he quit.

 

[G O B]

We need 12 good men and true,( with deep legal pockets) to apply at the same time and state "for all legal purposes". Then sue when denied on that basis. There are no reasons to deny for legal purposes.

 

[boscoman]

The bottom line from this discussion is that you need to know someone higher up in the process to get a CCW here in the State. I have 6 non resident CCWs, but don't dare to try & apply for one here in Maryland or for that matter in NJ either. While the good people in Fl & UT may state that getting turned down here will not effect their process I am not so willing to give it a try. Every application that I have filled out all ask if you have been turned down for a CCW.
Even if Maryland should start to honor our rights, the next process would then be to get reciprocity with other states. An example is S. Carolina, they honor VA resident permits but not non resident permits. Makes no sense, but that’s the way it is. As things stand today no one has reciprocity with Maryland.

 

[Nanook]

Boscoman, howdy and welcome. You may not have all the facts yet, but you are here and upset with the current situation. I'm good with that.

I'll be swinging by a MSP outfit this week to ask some questions about dropping my paperwork with them. What seems to be the barrack with somebody that: a) gives a care and b) knows what they are doing?