starter AR?

[Jimbob2.0]

Lower and Delton upper, reliable, accurate, fun.

Play and upgrade to another set-up later.

 

[Markp]

What about the Vietnam Colt kits that have been on the market... Some assembly required, but a $400 kit seems like a good way to get in on the deal get some real mil-spec parts and get a 20" barrel with a real nice retro look. Add an inexpensive lower and LPK and you're done.

Mark

 

[ericoak]

Not sure but I think the Vietnam kits are going to have very thin barrels and like a 1:12 twist rate that won't stabilize the 62grain bullets.

 

[Markp]

Not sure but I think the Vietnam kits are going to have very thin barrels and like a 1:12 twist rate that won't stabilize the 62grain bullets.

I don't think so, as the barrels are new 1:9 barrels. At least in the kit I purchased it was. I don't know if that will stabilize the 62 grain bullet nor am I sure of the "quality" of the barrel supplied (although they have been said to be colt barrels.)

APEX has the kit without a barrel for $359. Adding a nice new BCM or Sabre defense barrel would be one way to address that.

 

[chippeddler]

Add me to the list of soon to build one also. I'm thinking of VLTOR EMOD stock and BCM 18" stainless barrel upper kit with BCM BCG and charging handle.

 

[rawboy]

Here is mine...
All parts where used except the Spikes lower
Since I bought used everything you see below for just a hair under $1K (does not include the SIG)

Spikes Lower
CMMG LPK
Eotech 511 rev. F
FDE Magpul Furniture
16" BCM Mid-Length Upper:
9" Troy MRF-DI
BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) - Auto
BCMGUNFIGHTER Charging Handle
Magpul MBUIS

thats nasty

 

[jimsoden]

Don't forget the awesome guys at http://www.rguns.net/! They sell the DPMS Sportical in 5.56 for only $629.00 ($599.00 when I bought one a little over a year ago). They also offer the 7.62 DPMS Sportical for $840.00 ($799.00 when I bought one with the 5.56). Inflation...

These are solid prices. Just good to know you have options!

 

[FFMike]

Don't forget the awesome guys at http://www.rguns.net/! They sell the DPMS Sportical in 5.56 for only $629.00 ($599.00 when I bought one a little over a year ago). They also offer the 7.62 DPMS Sportical for $840.00 ($799.00 when I bought one withe 5.56). Inflation...

These are solid prices. Just good to know you have options!

I am in the same boat as the OP in looking to build a rifle or buy a rifle. I did a search for reviews on R-Guns and I am staying away. Folks were treated rudely, had faulty parts or rifles and got NO customer service. This search was conducted using several different refeerences. Thanks for the thoughts on R-Guns, but I will pass.

 

[jimsoden]

I am in the same boat as the OP in looking to build a rifle or buy a rifle. I did a search for reviews on R-Guns and I am staying away. Folks were treated rudely, had faulty parts or rifles and got NO customer service. This search was conducted using several different refeerences. Thanks for the thoughts on R-Guns, but I will pass.

I guess everything is relative. I own 16 ARs (15 AR-15s, Colt, Knights Armament, Bushmaster, DPMS, and RGuns, and 1 Armalite/Sterling AR-180), 5 of my lowers are from RGuns and 2 rifles (DPMS Sporticals) are from them as well. I always did my buying over the phone. They are price conscious and sometimes short, but I was polite and ended up with some GREAT deals from people who were literally overwhelmed when Odumbo got elected! Their prices are outstanding! They are worth the effort - don't be put off by the first-time whiners on the net (Google, etc.) - be patient and realize they are a small operation and trying to make a profit. They are worth the effort!

Don't be angry with me, I don't work for them! Just trying to share my experience with them.

Peace,
Jim

 

[Mr Oni]

would have to be a colt ar 15 for me.

 

[MDMOUNTAINEER]

I think the problem with Oly's was the magwells being out of spec on SOME of their lowers. I have an oly lower that takes milspec and pmags just fine, but I've seen one or two that bind on pmags, and I've heard stories about them binding on both. I don't think oly's are horrible, but I wouldn't go looking for an oly either. If I happened across one at a good deal I'd check mag fit and buy it so long as it worked.

 

[28Shooter]

I'm thinking about something on an AR platform (first one) and have read good things about the Rock River Coyote Carbine. I don't really want to build one but would prefer something factory stock. What do you guys think about Rock River?

 

[Russ D]

I'm thinking about something on an AR platform (first one) and have read good things about the Rock River Coyote Carbine. I don't really want to build one but would prefer something factory stock. What do you guys think about Rock River?

For bout the same price you can get a BCM and many of use prefer them to RRA.

 

[jimsoden]

I'm thinking about something on an AR platform (first one) and have read good things about the Rock River Coyote Carbine. I don't really want to build one but would prefer something factory stock. What do you guys think about Rock River?

Well, if you drop by Atlantic Guns (Rockville or Silver Spring) they are fanatics about RRA!

I admit to having the hots for their .458 SOCOM and their 20" barrel Coyote!

They come HIGHLY recommended from the guys at the Rockville Atlantic Guns shop (who are also heavily into cowboy shooting stuff!).

Don't be afraid to call 'em up and ask for their opinion. They are super nice folks. Prices are a bit high, but they walk the walk, so they will not BS you on most things they sell (in my experience).

 

[28Shooter]

Well, if you drop by Atlantic Guns (Rockville or Silver Spring) they are fanatics about RRA!

I admit to having the hots for their .458 SOCOM and their 20" barrel Coyote!

They come HIGHLY recommended from the guys at the Rockville Atlantic Guns shop (who are also heavily into cowboy shooting stuff!).

Don't be afraid to call 'em up and ask for their opinion. They are super nice folks. Prices are a bit high, but they walk the walk, so they will not BS you on most things they sell (in my experience).

Thanks for the input. I'll have to stop by Atlantic. I used to walk over there a couple of times a week when my office was in Rockville but we moved out to G'burg so I don't get over there much anymore.

 

[gunrunner]

As far as i have always been told. The reason oly's are junk is that they are cast instead of forged and they use low grade aluminum. A bit on the soft side.

 

[FFMike]

I guess everything is relative. I own 16 ARs (15 AR-15s, Colt, Knights Armament, Bushmaster, DPMS, and RGuns, and 1 Armalite/Sterling AR-180), 5 of my lowers are from RGuns and 2 rifles (DPMS Sporticals) are from them as well. I always did my buying over the phone. They are price conscious and sometimes short, but I was polite and ended up with some GREAT deals from people who were literally overwhelmed when Odumbo got elected! Their prices are outstanding! They are worth the effort - don't be put off by the first-time whiners on the net (Google, etc.) - be patient and realize they are a small operation and trying to make a profit. They are worth the effort!

Don't be angry with me, I don't work for them! Just trying to share my experience with them.

Peace,
Jim

Hey, it is all good...I am just going by the Fully Built rifles reviews I have found online. More then a dozen reviews and all are rated at a 2 or less!! It is all a matter of opinion and luck I am guessing??

 

[jimsoden]

Hey, it is all good...I am just going by the Fully Built rifles reviews I have found online. More then a dozen reviews and all are rated at a 2 or less!! It is all a matter of opinion and luck I am guessing??

Cool. Just to clarify a bit. I only own their lowers (RGuns). I also bought 2 fully built DPMS Sporticals. DPMS (owned by the folks who own Bushmaster, Remington, etc.) generally get good reviews and have a good reputation for reliability. I don't have any direct, first hand, experience with any RGuns fully assembled rifles. But, one day maybe...

Since the RGuns prices were so good on the DPMS stuff, I thought I'd take a chance on their lowers. (not sure who builds them for them?). I haven't been disappointed yet. I bought 5 M16A1 (yes, M16!!) uppers from Gunny's Surplus - out of stock right now. :-( I bought the AR-15 bolts, carriers, and charging handles from RGuns, too.

I thought it would be a neat & cheap way to assemble some retro-looking, Vietnam-era M16A1s!

Everybody has their own opinions...I guess that's what makes the web so interesting. Half the fun is in the hunt for the parts and learning about stuff on the way!

Cheers,
Jim

 

[Darkemp]

You could build a nice DPMS or CMMG lower with a Stag upper for about $700 before optics. I'd recommend getting the flattop as others mentioned, then you can accessorize from there, starting with a detachable carry handle for cheap sights.

 

[Russ D]

Well, if you drop by Atlantic Guns (Rockville or Silver Spring) they are fanatics about RRA!

I admit to having the hots for their .458 SOCOM and their 20" barrel Coyote!

They come HIGHLY recommended from the guys at the Rockville Atlantic Guns shop (who are also heavily into cowboy shooting stuff!).

Don't be afraid to call 'em up and ask for their opinion. They are super nice folks. Prices are a bit high, but they walk the walk, so they will not BS you on most things they sell (in my experience).

Being a fanatic about RRA is laughable. They make decent guns but nothing special. They are also IMHO overpriced. BCM, Colt, LMT, DD, and Noveske make great guns. Overhyping RRA is Bs'ing you.