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  • SOMDSHOOT

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    I don't cast or reload for 9mm simply because when I had the interest to dabble in 9mm the molds and other equipment was either out of stock or very hard to find. I also found factory ammo cheaper to buy than to reload for 9mm. I don't own a 9mm nor do I know anyone that does, so, I can not offer much input on the effectiveness of reloading for it.

    I do cast and reload for 38 Sp / 357 Mag and 45, which are my number one ventures. The 38/357 mag stuff is top on my list for my wife's revolver and the 45 stuff is mostly for my Muzzleloader needs, but, this is what I cast and I have found that casting some hard bullets from ingot beats buying them.

    I also shoot using a bullet trap, so, ALL of my lead is reused several times over. It's not like I am buying lead, casting it, shooting it, and then buying more lead. I am shooting it, reclaiming it, and reprocessing it over and over, therefore, making my lead purchases go a long long way when buying clean ingots instead of buying precast bullets or using crappy WW lead. I way more than get my investments worth with my lead. Besides, casting a few hundred bullets, for the 38/357 and 45 ML's takes no time at all when you're doing 2 at a time per drop. Just think of what you can do with a 6 cavity mold. I hand dip my lead, so, the 6 cavity is not really good for me, but, if you use an electric pot, you can pour out 250-500 bullets in no time at all.

    Sometimes I only plan to cast maybe 100 to 150 bullets and next thing I know I have made 200+ because I lose track of my count and I end with more than I actually need. It's that easy. Sort of like speeding and not knowing it because the car rides so smooth.

    Just PLEASE keep in mind that I am not debating that you should cast your own bullets versus buying a cast bullet or plated / jacketed bullets. All I am saying is that you must have the interest in casting bullets because you enjoy using a bullet you made and enjoy the process and art of making a bullet. Now if you are a serious target shooter on a regular basis, which I am not in any way, then you may look at it from the cost and time saving standpoint, which means you want to simply reload and go waste bullets, and there's no interest in physically making a bullet for your needs.

    Like I have stated before, I cast my own ML bullets because commercial bullets are ridiculously expensive and I truly feel sorry for anyone who pays those prices from a store. $25.00 for 20 simple no frills ML bullets is highway robbery, gouging on steroids, whatever you wish to call it, therefore, I cast my own and shoot all day with no concerns of shooting a $1.25 per bullet pack of bullets. There is not a Muzzleloader bullet on the face of this galaxy that is worth $1.00 each. That's why I cast bullets.

    These are my main three molds that get used most often. 38/357 and two weights of .45 cal

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    Uncle Duke

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    Funny you should mention that Pinecone. I had a buddy of mine bring me some more of that good scrap roofing lead ( gawd that stuff makes and excellent bullet ) and he also had 2 new bars of that soldering stuff in the box. That is common hard stuff and I am curious what is in it. I mean you almost have to strain to get the bar to bend over. I know one that, it would make some excellent hard cast muzzleloader bullets, but, I'm not 100% sure what it's made of to use it for anything else. Any info on this bar stuff would be very much appreciated.

    Here you go......


    http://www.oatey.com/doc/Bar_Solder.pdf
     

    rico903

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    I know they have all of those in stock. I will msg you today or tomorrow, Im trying to get together a bigger order to get a discount.

    Thanks, I'm open to whatever makes it work.

    Didn't get a msg which is fine. Just keep me in the loop and I'll buy what I can afford to help you reach your quantity. Thanks
     
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    rico903

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    I think I need to read up on this stuff. I saw a Lee electric pot in and LGS tonite for $85. It was actually on hold for someone I know who loads a lot of .45, he shoots competition. I don't know what the rest of the equipment costs but I'm guessing not all that much. I can buy range lead for $0.50 lb but that has copper on it of course so there is extra work involved. Don't know if there's enough copper to sell it for scrap to make it worth while.
     

    John from MD

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    I think I need to read up on this stuff. I saw a Lee electric pot in and LGS tonite for $85. It was actually on hold for someone I know who loads a lot of .45, he shoots competition. I don't know what the rest of the equipment costs but I'm guessing not all that much. I can buy range lead for $0.50 lb but that has copper on it of course so there is extra work involved. Don't know if there's enough copper to sell it for scrap to make it worth while.

    You can get a Lee 10# pot for $58 and a 20# pot for $78 from amazon. As far as range scrap goes, if you only shoot non magnum pistol, the jacketed lead will work. If you want to cast magnum pistol or rifle bullets, you will have to add antimony as the jacketed bullets are pretty soft because they are made using a swagging process. They are not "dead soft" like lead sheet but they are not too far off.

    As for selling the copper, I found that the salvage yards don't like to take the jackets as they are darkened and splashed with lead from the smelting process. They usually want to give you less of a price. The jackets don't weight much after smelting so it would take a long time to make some money from it.
     

    SOMDSHOOT

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    I think I need to read up on this stuff. I saw a Lee electric pot in and LGS tonite for $85. It was actually on hold for someone I know who loads a lot of .45, he shoots competition. I don't know what the rest of the equipment costs but I'm guessing not all that much. I can buy range lead for $0.50 lb but that has copper on it of course so there is extra work involved. Don't know if there's enough copper to sell it for scrap to make it worth while.

    The Lee electric pot is a bit fancier than how I do it. The bullet mold is about $25.00 to your door. I get my molds from TitanReloading.com HERE

    My melting post is powered by my propane tank from my BBQ grill and I use the burner from my crab cooker pot. I have a Lyman 4" Cast Iron pot. Not a fancy setup, but, this is similar to how I did it 30 years ago. Plus it's really cheap and it works.

    I don't know if you can view this page or not, but, this is where I store my casting pictures on Picasa Web Albums HERE

    It doesn't take long to cast a few hundred .45 cal bullets.

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    rico903

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    Good idea but I can't have a grill where I live so a pot on the balcony would have to work I guess. Didn't realize they are as small as they are. Is it safe to do indoors? Nope, couldn't view PICASA
     

    John from MD

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    I wouldn't do it on the balcony unless you can close the doors so fumes don't get into the house.

    The smallest "footprint" of equipment needed would be using a Lee 10 pound pot. Then all you need is to hold the mold in one hand and the mallet, (to break the sprue) in your other hand. You can dump the bullets onto a folded bath towel.

    You have to work with the space you have just like when you set up a reloading press in an apartment. Improvise! :lol:
     

    SOMDSHOOT

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    I wouldn't do it on the balcony unless you can close the doors so fumes don't get into the house.

    The smallest "footprint" of equipment needed would be using a Lee 10 pound pot. Then all you need is to hold the mold in one hand and the mallet, (to break the sprue) in your other hand. You can dump the bullets onto a folded bath towel.

    You have to work with the space you have just like when you set up a reloading press in an apartment. Improvise! :lol:

    Set up a small table in the bathroom and use the exhaust fan to suck it out. Lay out a board on your kitchen counter and use the exhaust fan over the stove. Be single and do it in the living room...

    I do my casting on my work bench in my garage. I have an exhaust fan setup because I can do many things out there in the woodshop that require it like woodburning, etc. You just need to know where you are going to melt Lead and then make the required adjustments for that location.
     

    SOMDSHOOT

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    Good idea but I can't have a grill where I live so a pot on the balcony would have to work I guess. Didn't realize they are as small as they are. Is it safe to do indoors? Nope, couldn't view PICASA

    You don't need a grill. You just need a tank and a burner. My BBQ grill tank is a 20 pounder and I use that because it was readily available and I don't steam many Crabs in the Winter.

    All you need is a good high temp hot plate or go for the Lee poury pot. I simply use the burner and LP tank because I hand dip / pour my bullets with a ladle. It just feels more enjoyable when hand dipping and having to control your speed, pouring height, etc with a ladle. Sticking a mold under a spout and fillin'er up is just too commercial and contemporary for me. I could hang a pot over a hot camp fire, but, that getting a way bit too historical for me.
     

    John from MD

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    I also mold in the garage as I too have an exhaust fan. When I smelt dirty lead, I do it outside by the wood pile and let the wind blow the odors away. This keeps me from becoming single again. :rolleyes:
     

    SOMDSHOOT

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    I also mold in the garage as I too have an exhaust fan. When I smelt dirty lead, I do it outside by the wood pile and let the wind blow the odors away. This keeps me from becoming single again. :rolleyes:

    I go to my garage, which my Wife has dubbed "The Pout House" to feel single... :D
     

    rico903

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    I wouldn't do it on the balcony unless you can close the doors so fumes don't get into the house.

    The smallest "footprint" of equipment needed would be using a Lee 10 pound pot. Then all you need is to hold the mold in one hand and the mallet, (to break the sprue) in your other hand. You can dump the bullets onto a folded bath towel.

    You have to work with the space you have just like when you set up a reloading press in an apartment. Improvise! :lol:

    That's why I thought of the balcony. Can shut the door but getting a little chilly these days. I wouldn't trust any of my exhaust fans n the house to do the job.
     

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