Sine Die 2019

[trickg]

I will repeat what I have said before about FSA2013. We did make a difference, we made O'Malley, Miller, and Busch threaten members of their own party to get the bill passed out of joint committee. The fact that folks do not understand that, is why our numbers went way down in Annapolis after 2013 and why MOMS and MDPGV have grown in strength in Annapolis.

This year was a start to rebiuild, in a smart way, the numbers that showed up in 2013, and the effectiveness that those numbers had, and will have.

Agree to disagree. That's why I have plans to flee this state as soon as I'm able.

 

[PowPow]

On the Book of Faces -

That's awesome!

 

[Boxcab]

It will be interesting how the dynamics work out now that the Mike and Mike show is off the air (how much longer does Miller have?). Yes, new "fresh and eager" people will step up, but they will not command the respect and loyalty that the previous "lords of the legislature" did.

There will be more barking, but when we look through the fence we will see Chihuahuas, not Bull dogs. I expect a fair amount of in-fighting and a mad scramble to reorganize committee chairs and assignments. The question becomes, can we influence any of this? This will effect the long game. Instead of talking gun laws at this time, can we help to steer the correct people to the right chairs?




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[ras_oscar]

She makes it sound like they got a win by adding a background check on loans. That could not be further from the truth. She is trying to give her folks some fake red soy-based meat.

So, was there any changes to the laws regarding temporary loan of firearms, or is it status quo? I'd like to know if I will still be able to allow my son to use my firearms without me present.

 

[Inigoes]

So, was there any changes to the laws regarding temporary loan of firearms, or is it status quo? I'd like to know if I will still be able to allow my son to use my firearms without me present.

As long as your son is not a prohibited person, good to go for a loan.

 

[esqappellate]

As long as your son is not a prohibited person, good to go for a loan.

Careful with handguns if your son is under 21. If so, then your son must be under immediate supervision of a person over 21 or an instructor, or a parent. Possession of regulated firearms by a person under 21 is a serious crime.

 

[fidelity]

Anyone notice in the Washington Post or Baltimore Sun reporting of Sine Die 2019 that they're not talking about the Bloomberg supported bill to put more guns on the JHU campus (that received overwhelming support from both chambers). Perhaps the Capital Gazette or Maryland Matters covered this in the legislative year, wrap up, reporting. Of course these guns will be carried by a JHU police force, but if the guns weren't there to promote safety, they wouldn't have sought armed police.

Is this something that MDA is also mad about? Seems to be off their radar if you look at what they're tweeting.

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[SPQM]

They could have rammed any of these bills down our throats, the same way they did FSA 2013 back then.

That they chose to only send the Handgun Permit Review Board bill off to Hogan and let everything else die in committee, or "scheduling issues" says it all.

Right now, Universal Background Checks are the Hot Cause Celibre of the left and are getting passed in state after state as they focus their energies on it.

So what made them make the Long Gun UBC bill die in scheduling? If they really wanted to, they could have reconciled the bill differences weeks ago; and had a version ready for a vote.

I think it's because (in part) due to the WILL NOT COMPLY messaging done this session by Patriot Picket; followed by the aerial message over Annapolis that day.

Unfortunately, I think for 2020 and 2021, we'll have to keep up the pressure with WILL NOT COMPLY.

 

[jefflac02]

Anyone notice in the Washington Post or Baltimore Sun reporting of Sine Die 2019 that they're not talking about the Bloomberg supported bill to put more guns on the JHU campus (that received overwhelming support from both chambers). Perhaps the Capital Gazette or Maryland Matters covered this in the legislative year, wrap up, reporting. Of course these guns will be carried by a JHU police force, but if the guns weren't there to promote safety, they wouldn't have sought armed police.

Is this something that MDA is also mad about? Seems to be off their radar if you look at what they're tweeting.

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I think we need to push the irony that a private police force (with guns) was implemented in a very strict gun control state. And considering you are more likely to be shot by a police officer vs a concealed carrier. Should be our focus to continue to push shall issue.


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[smkranz]

Pro 2A letter about Sine Die in today's Carroll County Times.

A win for Maryland’s Second Amendment advocates

On April 2, the Times published an article penned by the Baltimore Sun’s Luke Broadwater about the supposed “winners and losers” in the 2019 Maryland legislative session. Broadwater prematurely included “the gun lobby” among the losers, including those Maryland citizens and Second Amendment advocates who wore “We Will Not Comply” shirts while picketing, lobbying, and testifying against proposed new firearm restrictions in Annapolis during the session.

Broadwater’s bubble surely must have burst on April 8 when the heavily Democrat-dominated legislature adjourned for the year without passing any of the proposed infringements with one exception, that being the dissolution of the citizen Handgun Permit Review Board. Gov. Hogan could still veto that bill, and with a recently reconstituted Supreme Court, there is renewed hope among constitutionalists that Maryland’s effective ban on concealed carry permits for ordinary citizens will also be overturned.

But back in Annapolis, patriots who wore those shirts to forecast the citizenry’s non-compliance with unconstitutional infringements, and who flew a “We Will Not Comply” banner over the state capital during the last day of the session, in fact won considerable victories. The General Assembly was unable, in the face of citizen opposition, to pass proposed laws that would have made instant criminals out of law-abiding citizens who: transfer long guns to family members and other law-abiding citizens without a so-called “background check”; hobbyists who build their own firearms for their own personal use; adult household members whose firearms are accessible to other household adults; and anyone who owns an AR-15 style sporting rifle purchased after October 1, 2013.

The Constitution and its Second Amendment got away fairly unscathed in spite of Broadwater’s fake news about Second Amendment advocates’ presumed losses in the Maryland General Assembly this year. He should stick with reporting the news.

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Here is the original April 2 piece to which this letter responds:

 

[dblas]

They could have rammed any of these bills down our throats, the same way they did FSA 2013 back then.

That they chose to only send the Handgun Permit Review Board bill off to Hogan and let everything else die in committee, or "scheduling issues" says it all.

Right now, Universal Background Checks are the Hot Cause Celibre of the left and are getting passed in state after state as they focus their energies on it.

So what made them make the Long Gun UBC bill die in scheduling? If they really wanted to, they could have reconciled the bill differences weeks ago; and had a version ready for a vote.

I think it's because (in part) due to the WILL NOT COMPLY messaging done this session by Patriot Picket; followed by the aerial message over Annapolis that day.

Unfortunately, I think for 2020 and 2021, we'll have to keep up the pressure with WILL NOT COMPLY.

They didn't shove squat down our throats, we made them cheat and threaten their own party members to get that bill passed. Had we NOT been effective, Busch, Miller, and O'Malley would NOT have threatened ALL of the Democrats on the joint committee to pass the bill. And Miller would not have sat directly behind the chair of the joint committee in the House and O'Malley would NOT have stayed in the back room of Judiciary to ensure his bill was passed with the appropriate amendments he authorized.

No, they did NOT shove anything down our throat, and anyone that thinks so, still doesn't pay attention.

 

[teratos]

Pro 2A letter about Sine Die in today's Carroll County Times.

A win for Maryland’s Second Amendment advocates

On April 2, the Times published an article penned by the Baltimore Sun’s Luke Broadwater about the supposed “winners and losers” in the 2019 Maryland legislative session. Broadwater prematurely included “the gun lobby” among the losers, including those Maryland citizens and Second Amendment advocates who wore “We Will Not Comply” shirts while picketing, lobbying, and testifying against proposed new firearm restrictions in Annapolis during the session.

Broadwater’s bubble surely must have burst on April 8 when the heavily Democrat-dominated legislature adjourned for the year without passing any of the proposed infringements with one exception, that being the dissolution of the citizen Handgun Permit Review Board. Gov. Hogan could still veto that bill, and with a recently reconstituted Supreme Court, there is renewed hope among constitutionalists that Maryland’s effective ban on concealed carry permits for ordinary citizens will also be overturned.

But back in Annapolis, patriots who wore those shirts to forecast the citizenry’s non-compliance with unconstitutional infringements, and who flew a “We Will Not Comply” banner over the state capital during the last day of the session, in fact won considerable victories. The General Assembly was unable, in the face of citizen opposition, to pass proposed laws that would have made instant criminals out of law-abiding citizens who: transfer long guns to family members and other law-abiding citizens without a so-called “background check”; hobbyists who build their own firearms for their own personal use; adult household members whose firearms are accessible to other household adults; and anyone who owns an AR-15 style sporting rifle purchased after October 1, 2013.

The Constitution and its Second Amendment got away fairly unscathed in spite of Broadwater’s fake news about Second Amendment advocates’ presumed losses in the Maryland General Assembly this year. He should stick with reporting the news.

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Here is the original April 2 piece to which this letter responds:

Good article. I’m not sure the author fully thought out what “we will not comply” means. Even if those bills passed, many of us would have ignored and thus nullified them. Winning!

 

[teratos]

They didn't shove squat down our throats, we made them cheat and threaten their own party members to get that bill passed. Had we NOT been effective, Busch, Miller, and O'Malley would NOT have threatened ALL of the Democrats on the joint committee to pass the bill. And Miller would not have sat directly behind the chair of the joint committee in the House and O'Malley would NOT have stayed in the back room of Judiciary to ensure his bill was passed with the appropriate amendments he authorized.

No, they did NOT shove anything down our throat, and anyone that thinks so, still doesn't pay attention.

Yep. Get so tired of saying this.

 

[Mr H]

They didn't shove squat down our throats, we made them cheat and threaten their own party members to get that bill passed. Had we NOT been effective, Busch, Miller, and O'Malley would NOT have threatened ALL of the Democrats on the joint committee to pass the bill. And Miller would not have sat directly behind the chair of the joint committee in the House and O'Malley would NOT have stayed in the back room of Judiciary to ensure his bill was passed with the appropriate amendments he authorized.

No, they did NOT shove anything down our throat, and anyone that thinks so, still doesn't pay attention.

You are, of course, 100% correct, and it baffles me that people still allow their BGOS to color their view of actual events.

Many of us--then and now--were in those halls, those rooms, those offices, working our asses off to save everything possible from the grabbers.

That FSA13 passed at all is only because we had to make them cheat TWICE to pass it (not to mention going the joint committee route to try to ensure the votes they eventually cajoled).

That it was filed down to a bare nub of the original bill is testament to several groups who put down their own swords and showed we could work together, bringing different talents to bear, and mobilize the largest crowds Annapolis had ever seen.

I know I'll be labeled a collaborator or worse, for accepting what ended up passing... but I remind you all...

We always have options, but sometimes there is no other choice. To not have fought would have made all other points useless.

Apart from all the internal backbiting we see at times, what saddens me the most is that people can't (won't?) understand that this could have been won by now if people would find ways to push back/move forward for more than just 90 days a year.

 

[dblas]

Yep. Get so tired of saying this.

I do as well, at some point I will right it out and save it as a .doc so I can just pull it up, copy and paste, and then modify as needed for the individual answer.

 

[CrabcakesAndFootball]

Pro 2A letter about Sine Die in today's Carroll County Times.

Well done. I emailed this to the political advocate at the Sun to up the odds he sees it.

 

[CrabcakesAndFootball]

Lol the little pissant responded almost immediately asking me to take note of this:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-last-minute-winners-20190409-story.html

 

[smkranz]

Lol the little pissant responded almost immediately asking me to take note of this:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-last-minute-winners-20190409-story.html

That's pretty funny. Luke Broadwater, the original April 2 article's author, left me a voice message earlier today to point out the same "last minute winners" article which updated the session's results. Well, Luke, you couldn't wait to gleefully call us "losers" before the session was even over. Maybe, a lesson learned? Doubt it.

 

[MigraineMan]

Coverage from BearingArms.com -

Maryland will never be mistaken as a pro-gun state. It’s embraced plenty of anti-gun laws in recent years, so much so that I’d wondered if the state was trying to compete with California, New Jersey and Massachusetts for the title of most anti-gun in the nation.

So imagine my surprise to learn that a couple of anti-gun bills, bills that seem to have been embraced in plenty of other anti-gun states, died as the General Assembly adjourned.

[...]

What happened in Maryland? That’s a win — a big one.

Now, let’s do it again.

 

[ComeGet]

Coverage from BearingArms.com -