Shooting AR pistol with brace

[Doctor_M]

All,

My understanding of the ATF's current interpretation of using a stabilizing brace on an AR pistol is:

1) It is OK to use as designed (i.e. with your arm through the brace)

2) It is OK to fire from the cheek (i.e. getting a cheek weld against the brace for sighting purposes) without the brace touching your shoulder

3) It is not OK to shoulder the brace (and if you do you have "manufactured" a SBR)

I wanted to make sure that I was current on this, especially point 2 as it seems that the interpretation was a bit dynamic for a while. Assuming this is correct, does anyone shoot this way (from the cheek)?

 

[5.56blaster]

I would contact ATF and get the info from them. Please pass on whatever they tell you.

 

[outrider58]

There is a letter on it out there. I'm bouncing along in my truck or I'd find it.

 

[HarCo2ANewb]

I would contact ATF and get the info from them. Please pass on whatever they tell you.

 

[DutchV]

Or you could just shoot it, and not worry so much.

 

[Doctor_M]

I read 5.56's comment with the implied.

 

[Doctor_M]

Or you could just shoot it, and not worry so much.

I hear what you are saying... just want to stay on the correct side of the line.

 

[protegeV]

I read 5.56's comment with the implied.

yes, it was so intensely thick, that a emoticon was not necessary

 

[DutchV]

Well, I hear you, but it's not enforceable the way a physical requirement is. (Barrel length comes to mind, or 922R parts count.) Just don't shoot on video and you'll be fine. I really don't see them pursuing it.

 

[BigT5g]

Well, I hear you, but it's not enforceable the way a physical requirement is. (Barrel length comes to mind, or 922R parts count.) Just don't shoot on video and you'll be fine. I really don't see them pursuing it.

Agreed. These letters are NOT LAW.

 

[outrider58]

Agreed. These letters are NOT LAW.

Agreed. Who knows what letter is the latest and greatest? Just wanted DocM to know there is an answer, out there, to his question.

 

[BenL]

The arm brace is an oddly nuanced thing. As I understand it, everything was fine until some toolbag wrote the ATF and specifically asked if they could put an arm brace on an AR with the intent of firing it from the shoulder. The ATF's response was essentially, if you intend to shoot from the shoulder, then you need to pay $200 and wait half a lifetime. That's how we got to where we are, now. Go shoot your pistol and don't worry about it.

 

[fred333]

Watch This:

 

[BigT5g]

By the ATFs logic if I bought a rifle with the intent of NOT shouldering it, but rather to fire it one handed holding away from my body then I have just created a handgun... again there are no actual laws telling us the right or wrong way to shoot our pistols.

 

[j_h_smith]

What about the 18" barrelled, pistol grip shotguns? Are they shotguns or are they handguns? There's a firearm where you can go back and forth without breaking the law. But how is that?

I'm so confused?!?!?!?!

 

[Doctor_M]

Thanks Fred... that was a useful video!.

 

[Blaster229]

Has anyone actually fired one of these things using the brace as designed? How terrible is that? Has to be the WORST way ever.

 

[j_h_smith]

I have no problem shooting my 50 Beowulf handgun.

 

[BigDaddy]

Has anyone actually fired one of these things using the brace as designed? How terrible is that? Has to be the WORST way ever.

My understanding is it was designed for someone who had no use of his left arm so things could always be worse.

I am thinking long and hard about a CZ Scorpion and I have watched various videos of different braces. The Shockwave is popular with the Scorpion crowd, but I'm not interested in having a hard piece of plastic bounce up and down on my cheek. Thordsen is another one they like.

http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=2316
http://www.thordsencustoms.com/ar-pistol/cheek-rest-kits/

 

[pbharvey]

Has anyone actually fired one of these things using the brace as designed? How terrible is that? Has to be the WORST way ever.

Its horrible.
Borderline dangerous almost.