Scumpaper's latest "editorial"-Background check delays

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  • Publius

    Active Member
    Mar 18, 2013
    491
    Ellicott City
    That editorial is an example of why I stopped subscribing to the North Korean Sun. I wanted to be informed of local news but after almost chocking to death during breakfast on a few of their editorials, I told my wife, who was a fan of their coupons, that we simply could not keep sending our money to people like that. Here is the comment I left in their comment section:

    The Baltimore Sun is for the Democrat Party exactly what the Volkisher Beobachter was for the National Socialist German Workers' Party (a.k.a. Nazi Party). It's almost inconceivable that at a time when the Justice Department is persecuting journalists, the Baltimore Sun’s editorial board would have a harsh view of the rights of fellow Americans being violated. But that is exactly what it does in this piece. It is arguing that it is reasonable to make people wait 100 days to take a handgun or rifle home because most of those waiting already have guns. A parallel to the 1st amendment would be to argue that library users can wait 100 days to check out a book because most library users already have books. It is a preposterous and frightening argument, first and foremost for its complete lack of due process. It does not matter what the Baltimore Sun or O’Malley think. What matters is what our Bill of Right says and the fact that it is being infringed. The argument "oh the MSP is doing what it can" is irrelevant. You cannot make people wait 100 days to take a firearm home, period. The law alludes to a 7-day wait, not 100 days. It would never have become law if it said "the MSP can take an undetermined amount of time to run a check". Never. A judge needs to smack this mess down quick and force the MSP to run just a NICS check on an emergency basis.
     

    jtb81100

    Ultimate Member
    May 28, 2012
    2,234
    Western HoCo
    Had insomnia so i decided to send a nice long response to their reader opinion email. We'll see if they actually publish or post it:


    I can agree with two parts of this article: the MD gun community is very unhappy and the government can't work miracles. Past that, there are a lot of problems with this opinion piece.

    The problems start with comparing this to a supply problem. The later comparison to MVA waits is a bit more accurate, but this would be more like the MVA saying it will be 3-4 weeks for them to get you your tags and you can't drive the car till they arrive (no temp tags in the gun world). Every state has experienced a huge increase in firearms purchases since December, yet not every state is experiencing the same backlog in approvals. The only other state that I know of that still has a large backlog is New Jersey, and they are only about two weeks behind their pre-December wait while we are 10+ weeks behind.

    Why is this? The vast majority of the country, 36 states and territories, submit all relevant information to the NICS database and allow gun dealers to contact the FBI to do the background checks. Our state does not do this for regulated firearms (handguns and certain rifles). Instead, when you purchase your firearm you fill out the form which is then sent off to the MSP. They do 16 separate checks for each application, including the NICS check, then they send it back to the FFL. Any number of things can flag your app for further review by a sworn trooper instead of a clerk which, right now, leads to an extra 2-4 week wait.

    While it isn't reasonable to expect MSP to be able to migrate the other databases into NICS during this backlog, it is completely reasonable to be frustrated that this hasn't already been done. Multi-week backlogs have happened multiple times in the past 13 years, yet MSP is still using the same broken system. While the GA did increase their budget, they also increased their workload with the new gun laws. The increase will not be enough for them to handle both the backlog and preparing for the new laws.

    Quote: "And speaking of crime, it should be noted that the vast majority of these gun purchasers already own multiple firearms, so this isn't about endangered people looking to arm themselves."

    This is extremely insulting on multiple levels. First you insinuate that owning multiple firearms should be or is a crime, then you suggest that this is all about arming ourselves. Guns are tools. Suggesting that somebody doesn't have a need for one because they have another is like saying you don't need to go buy a flat head screw driver because you already have a phillips head. While every gun can be used in defense or offense, that doesn't mean there aren't other uses. The best example of this is competition shooting. Different competitions require different regulated firearms. Cowboy shooting requires two single action revolvers, GSSF competitions requires a Glock semi-automatic pistol, 3 gun competitions require a semi-automatic pistol as well as a rifle that may be regulated, and so on.

    How has this backlog affected me? I purchased my first semi-automatic pistol in February. I have no criminal record or any other issue that prohibits me from owning firearms. I passed a background check for a revolver last year well within the 7 day time frame, yet it took 92 days to get the paperwork back from this purchase. I included my social security number along with all the required information on the form, yet I was put in the review pile because I share a name with over 130,000 people nationwide. When I called on day 80 I was informed that my application had been mailed back already. In reality it wasn't mailed for another week, the NICS number had expired while it was in the mail (meaning they had to issue a new one) and I was finally able to pick it up 2 days before the entire form was set to expire. At that point I would have had to redo the paperwork and hope they didn't put me at the bottom of the pile.

    Situations like this are not an inconvenience, they are flat out incompetence. If I take an extra 85 days to file my taxes or pay a ticket I face additional penalties. If I'm given 7 days to do a job and it takes me 92, I would have long been fired and my replacement would have long completed the job. The vast majority of the states and territories of the country let the FBI and the FFLs handle these checks without major issues. When the next worst backlog is 2-4 weeks and yours is 2-4 months, you are doing something seriously wrong. Anybody who can't see that needs to open their eyes and educate themselves to what is actually going on.
     

    ShallNotInfringe

    Lil Firecracker
    Feb 17, 2013
    8,554
    Let's see if they publish that! Very nice.

    That compound sentence with crime and multiple guns was outta hand. Was thinking similarly, imagine if you told someone they have a steak knife, there is no comprehensible reason you need a butter of butcher knife.
     

    RavensFan11

    Active Member
    May 28, 2013
    363
    Timonium
    SO FRUSTRATING to read that trash..but what do you expect? My question is what would the Sun being saying if a gay marriage license, an illegal alian ID / Drivers License or an abortion provider were all told that things would take 10 times longer than they should BY LAW? Owe Malley would be going crazy, WJZ would be running stories all day and the Sun Paper would be riling people up due to RIGHTS BEING VIOLATED. The only rights they don't have any concern for are the rights of Maryland's legal gun owners!
     

    RavensFan11

    Active Member
    May 28, 2013
    363
    Timonium
    Had insomnia so i decided to send a nice long response to their reader opinion email. We'll see if they actually publish or post it:


    I can agree with two parts of this article: the MD gun community is very unhappy and the government can't work miracles. Past that, there are a lot of problems with this opinion piece.

    The problems start with comparing this to a supply problem. The later comparison to MVA waits is a bit more accurate, but this would be more like the MVA saying it will be 3-4 weeks for them to get you your tags and you can't drive the car till they arrive (no temp tags in the gun world). Every state has experienced a huge increase in firearms purchases since December, yet not every state is experiencing the same backlog in approvals. The only other state that I know of that still has a large backlog is New Jersey, and they are only about two weeks behind their pre-December wait while we are 10+ weeks behind.

    Why is this? The vast majority of the country, 36 states and territories, submit all relevant information to the NICS database and allow gun dealers to contact the FBI to do the background checks. Our state does not do this for regulated firearms (handguns and certain rifles). Instead, when you purchase your firearm you fill out the form which is then sent off to the MSP. They do 16 separate checks for each application, including the NICS check, then they send it back to the FFL. Any number of things can flag your app for further review by a sworn trooper instead of a clerk which, right now, leads to an extra 2-4 week wait.

    While it isn't reasonable to expect MSP to be able to migrate the other databases into NICS during this backlog, it is completely reasonable to be frustrated that this hasn't already been done. Multi-week backlogs have happened multiple times in the past 13 years, yet MSP is still using the same broken system. While the GA did increase their budget, they also increased their workload with the new gun laws. The increase will not be enough for them to handle both the backlog and preparing for the new laws.

    Quote: "And speaking of crime, it should be noted that the vast majority of these gun purchasers already own multiple firearms, so this isn't about endangered people looking to arm themselves."

    This is extremely insulting on multiple levels. First you insinuate that owning multiple firearms should be or is a crime, then you suggest that this is all about arming ourselves. Guns are tools. Suggesting that somebody doesn't have a need for one because they have another is like saying you don't need to go buy a flat head screw driver because you already have a phillips head. While every gun can be used in defense or offense, that doesn't mean there aren't other uses. The best example of this is competition shooting. Different competitions require different regulated firearms. Cowboy shooting requires two single action revolvers, GSSF competitions requires a Glock semi-automatic pistol, 3 gun competitions require a semi-automatic pistol as well as a rifle that may be regulated, and so on.

    How has this backlog affected me? I purchased my first semi-automatic pistol in February. I have no criminal record or any other issue that prohibits me from owning firearms. I passed a background check for a revolver last year well within the 7 day time frame, yet it took 92 days to get the paperwork back from this purchase. I included my social security number along with all the required information on the form, yet I was put in the review pile because I share a name with over 130,000 people nationwide. When I called on day 80 I was informed that my application had been mailed back already. In reality it wasn't mailed for another week, the NICS number had expired while it was in the mail (meaning they had to issue a new one) and I was finally able to pick it up 2 days before the entire form was set to expire. At that point I would have had to redo the paperwork and hope they didn't put me at the bottom of the pile.

    Situations like this are not an inconvenience, they are flat out incompetence. If I take an extra 85 days to file my taxes or pay a ticket I face additional penalties. If I'm given 7 days to do a job and it takes me 92, I would have long been fired and my replacement would have long completed the job. The vast majority of the states and territories of the country let the FBI and the FFLs handle these checks without major issues. When the next worst backlog is 2-4 weeks and yours is 2-4 months, you are doing something seriously wrong. Anybody who can't see that needs to open their eyes and educate themselves to what is actually going on.

    REALLY, REALLY, REALLY GOOD! :party29:
     

    on_the_rox

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 16, 2009
    1,696
    Whiteford, MD
    Had insomnia so i decided to send a nice long response to their reader opinion email. We'll see if they actually publish or post it:


    I can agree with two parts of this article: the MD gun community is very unhappy and the government can't work miracles. Past that, there are a lot of problems with this opinion piece.

    The problems start with comparing this to a supply problem. The later comparison to MVA waits is a bit more accurate, but this would be more like the MVA saying it will be 3-4 weeks for them to get you your tags and you can't drive the car till they arrive (no temp tags in the gun world). Every state has experienced a huge increase in firearms purchases since December, yet not every state is experiencing the same backlog in approvals. The only other state that I know of that still has a large backlog is New Jersey, and they are only about two weeks behind their pre-December wait while we are 10+ weeks behind.

    Why is this? The vast majority of the country, 36 states and territories, submit all relevant information to the NICS database and allow gun dealers to contact the FBI to do the background checks. Our state does not do this for regulated firearms (handguns and certain rifles). Instead, when you purchase your firearm you fill out the form which is then sent off to the MSP. They do 16 separate checks for each application, including the NICS check, then they send it back to the FFL. Any number of things can flag your app for further review by a sworn trooper instead of a clerk which, right now, leads to an extra 2-4 week wait.

    While it isn't reasonable to expect MSP to be able to migrate the other databases into NICS during this backlog, it is completely reasonable to be frustrated that this hasn't already been done. Multi-week backlogs have happened multiple times in the past 13 years, yet MSP is still using the same broken system. While the GA did increase their budget, they also increased their workload with the new gun laws. The increase will not be enough for them to handle both the backlog and preparing for the new laws.

    Quote: "And speaking of crime, it should be noted that the vast majority of these gun purchasers already own multiple firearms, so this isn't about endangered people looking to arm themselves."

    This is extremely insulting on multiple levels. First you insinuate that owning multiple firearms should be or is a crime, then you suggest that this is all about arming ourselves. Guns are tools. Suggesting that somebody doesn't have a need for one because they have another is like saying you don't need to go buy a flat head screw driver because you already have a phillips head. While every gun can be used in defense or offense, that doesn't mean there aren't other uses. The best example of this is competition shooting. Different competitions require different regulated firearms. Cowboy shooting requires two single action revolvers, GSSF competitions requires a Glock semi-automatic pistol, 3 gun competitions require a semi-automatic pistol as well as a rifle that may be regulated, and so on.

    How has this backlog affected me? I purchased my first semi-automatic pistol in February. I have no criminal record or any other issue that prohibits me from owning firearms. I passed a background check for a revolver last year well within the 7 day time frame, yet it took 92 days to get the paperwork back from this purchase. I included my social security number along with all the required information on the form, yet I was put in the review pile because I share a name with over 130,000 people nationwide. When I called on day 80 I was informed that my application had been mailed back already. In reality it wasn't mailed for another week, the NICS number had expired while it was in the mail (meaning they had to issue a new one) and I was finally able to pick it up 2 days before the entire form was set to expire. At that point I would have had to redo the paperwork and hope they didn't put me at the bottom of the pile.

    Situations like this are not an inconvenience, they are flat out incompetence. If I take an extra 85 days to file my taxes or pay a ticket I face additional penalties. If I'm given 7 days to do a job and it takes me 92, I would have long been fired and my replacement would have long completed the job. The vast majority of the states and territories of the country let the FBI and the FFLs handle these checks without major issues. When the next worst backlog is 2-4 weeks and yours is 2-4 months, you are doing something seriously wrong. Anybody who can't see that needs to open their eyes and educate themselves to what is actually going on.

    Nice write up. Even if it does not get into the print version chances are it will show up online. Keep us posted. Thanks for taking the time to submit something.
     

    Publius

    Active Member
    Mar 18, 2013
    491
    Ellicott City

    ShallNotInfringe

    Lil Firecracker
    Feb 17, 2013
    8,554
    Wonder if they would publish a counterpoint editorial?

    My response is up online. They obviously picked the incompetence quote to use as the headline. Kind of hard to find anything else inflamatory in what I wrote.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-guns-background-check-20130612,0,5257766.story

    My sarcasm stands corrected.

    Thank you for taking the time and effort to submit a well thought out rebuttal and congrats on it making the cut.
     

    Brooklyn

    I stand with John Locke.
    Jan 20, 2013
    13,095
    Plan D? Not worth the hassle.
    Not surprisingly, in the eyes of the Scum; the state is being perfectly reasonable, O'Moron and Froth's legislation is designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the "dangerously insane" :rolleyes:, and gun owners who complain about it are compared to unreasonable whiners who will next sue over not having "customer service representatives available on weekends to answer their questions."


    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-background-checks-20130610,0,2823824.story

    cool.

    The BS is in the game so we drew blood. :)
     

    on_the_rox

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 16, 2009
    1,696
    Whiteford, MD
    Congratulations. Reading the editorial section in the paper (print version) this morning I said to myself I have read this somewhere before. I am impressed with your editorial. I think it definitely is a route that we should try to pursue more often. Thank you for taking the time to inform the masses.
     

    jtb81100

    Ultimate Member
    May 28, 2012
    2,234
    Western HoCo
    Congratulations. Reading the editorial section in the paper (print version) this morning I said to myself I have read this somewhere before. I am impressed with your editorial. I think it definitely is a route that we should try to pursue more often. Thank you for taking the time to inform the masses.

    Thanks for pointing out that it made the print edition! Had checked a couple days, but figured they weren't going to print it because it was so long. Made my day lol.
     

    Pilot7576

    Member
    Aug 13, 2009
    67
    For those that may have forgotten or not known, the original 7 day wait was enacted as a "cooling off" period to prevent crimes of passion with a newly purchased handgun. It has morphed into a bureaucratic background check from hell.

    JTF

    Pilot7576
     

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