SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

[rbird7282]

Could have been written yesterday, right?

Amazing how much of a hard on The Post had for severe gun control/confiscation even 50 years ago.
Same old BS is touted by them today.

 

[DC-W]

We've not changed all that much either.

 

[BeoBill]

Sounds like a slam-dunk lawsuit to me barring a braindead activist judge. The state can't legally make you break the law and one could argue this is entrapment.

You forget - this is the Maryland Colony.

 

[BeoBill]

Because we only found out about the rally on short notice and most of us, unlike the overwhelming amount of Karens in the crowd today, have to work.

And by all means if you hear of something let us know either here or on the Book of Faces page.

Our favorite WUSA Ch 9 reporter Scott Broom did reach out to us today by phone for some counter quotes to the piece he filed which should have been on the 5 and 6pm broadcast.

That's encouraging that Scott would do actual journalism. I'd volunteer to monitor, but I don't do the Book of Faces and I've been banned from Twatter for speaking the unspeakable and naming Those Who Shall not Be Named.

And how much notice do you need? I recall 48 and 24 hours for some for the last VCDL Lobby Day. Do we not have a call for Annapolis Lobby Day direct action any more? The spark seems to have gone out with Rack's arrest and passing...

 

[BeoBill]

Because the Moms needing action rally was coordinated between the State government, Media, and various PAID Bloomberg groups.

Patriot Picket is an all volunteer group without the media and state ties

Weak sauce/whining. We seemed to do pretty well in years past without coordination with the State government, Media, and various PAID Bloomberg groups.

We have self proclaimed "Big Cheese INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS" in this group, and yet we can't figure out how to pull off a Color Revolution at a time of OUR choosing or get wind of an interstate rally by the Demanding Moms earlier than the day of?

All virtual in the senate now until 2/14, then in-person. House is all virtual. This could of course change. We’ll post dates and times as soon as they’re known.

Thank you. So some time after 2/24 - would that be enough notice? Is it worth a day of Leave to try to preserve our rights and send the MGA a message?

I swear ever since CCP virus has made its rounds they have gone FULL BLOWN RETARDATION on everything in government not like they already where but know they seem to really show there hand this time. Also they all go around saying “GOVERN ME HARDER DADDY!” Like there the almighty god that will save them from death.

You're getting the idea.

 

[Kicken Wing]

Your first paragraph should be the intro to testimony against the bill.

It was part of my testimony for 2 years in a row. They don't care.

 

[BeoBill]

So if this passes, does MSP hide the subsequent years of statistics of "ghost gun" seizures from the MGA to give them the warm-fuzzy that the law is working...(even though it isn't)...

The MSP doesn't need to. They have at least one full time lobbyist in Annapolis to "provide guidance" while they "interpret" (i.e., administratively WRITE) the law to suit their desires. We don't live in 4CA. This is a full blown police state.

We should be pushing to restore MSP civilian oversight by reconstituting the HPRB, instead of suing everyone we dislike.

 

[BeoBill]

The part that kills me about the proposed MGA gun bills, past and present, is this... The bills do not focus on public safety what-so-ever. They focus on the 0.1 percent of a given problem and ignore the other 99.9 percent of the problem. They like to spend time focusing on "ghost guns" while stolen handgun crimes get a slap on the wrist. their eyes are not on the ball. Not even close. The batter hits a ball to left field and they all go running to the right field looking for it. It's a joke.

Our MGA is so deep blue that we never stand a chance of seeing it turn into a republican majority. Never.

Only if we stand by and continue to allow them to rape us legally.

 

[Kicken Wing]

While I agree with the last paragraph, what ranges are going to start checking serial numbers?
The police may want to search my car if they pull me over but they aren’t doing that without probable cause or a warrant.
Same goes for my house.

Know your rights and use them.


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Most ranges that I go to check your gun when you arrive to make sure it is cold. If this law goes into effect, all they have to do is flip it over to see if it has a serial number or not.

Or

A cop could be at the range shooting next to you and notice your lack of serial number or numbers. This proposed law opens up a host of ways in regards to how one could find themselves on the "wrong side of the law".

 

[BeoBill]

While I agree with the last paragraph, what ranges are going to start checking serial numbers?
The police may want to search my car if they pull me over but they aren’t doing that without probable cause or a warrant.
Same goes for my house.

Know your rights and use them.


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The crazy cat lady Karen next door can always Red Flag you without your knowledge. Remember the Red Flag Law?

Stand idly by and do nothing and you will have no rights left to use.

 

[dblas]

It would have to be through an FFL. But you could still sell it out of state. Now you’d have to serialize it and the FFL would need to be willing to facilitate the transfer. But you can bet Frosh will point to the fact it is legally possible, if not practical or even likely a realistic option for the vast majority, as it not being a taking. And thus, well the law is fine.

There is nothing in federal law that requires a firearm, made for personal use, that is then later sold, to be serialized.

I really wish people would stop spreading this.

 

[Sirex]

I for one feel safer with serial numbers being required. I mean, it would stop the scourge of inner city violence, because criminals wouldn't just steal a gun and not care about the serial number, or grind off the serial number. They evidently ONLY use these ghost guns, not the most heavily regulated non NFA guns in MD. This TOTALLY isn't about control, tracking or creating a registry. That would just be fear mongering. If we serialize these ghost guns the inner city white nationalist supremacists are using, we can reduce gun violence by 97%, just like the FSA of 2013 did.

 

[Growler215]

I for one feel safer with serial numbers being required. I mean, it would stop the scourge of inner city violence, because criminals wouldn't just steal a gun and not care about the serial number, or grind off the serial number. They evidently ONLY use these ghost guns, not the most heavily regulated non NFA guns in MD. This TOTALLY isn't about control, tracking or creating a registry. That would just be gun but fear mongering. If we serialize these ghost guns the inner city white nationalist supremacists are using, we can reduce gun violence by 97%, just like the FSA of 2013 did.

I'm sure the criminals wouldn't think of driving to Pennsylvania to buy the 80% frames, either. . .

 

[Rabu Rabu]

I'm sure the criminals wouldn't think of driving to Pennsylvania to buy the 80% frames, either. . .

It'll be double illegal now!

 

[Bertfish]

I'm sure the criminals wouldn't think of driving to Pennsylvania to buy the 80% frames, either. . .

They'd love another reason to blame the violence on other states laws

 

[DC-W]

The country is awash in not only guns, but parts for guns. Even if the ATF rule does become effective, there will still be no shortage of supply for those with no quarrels about breaking the law.

What’s left are regular people facing needless interactions with police, arrest, prosecution, convictions, incarceration, or worse — all over possessing things they’ve been able to make and keep all this time.

 

[Jim12]

If they can't get guns, they'll get knives, hammers, rocks, swords, gasoline, gunpowder, arsenic, hemlock, broken glass, hands, feet, or cars to run over their victims. People everywhere are capable of violence and are capable of killing, and they'll find the means.

The U.S. has an incredibly low murder rate per capita. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

Murder rates are determined by socioeconomics, which is a reflection of LEADERSHIP and POLITICS, NOT GUNS.

No wonder politicians try to blame the problem on guns instead of themselves.

 

[Kicken Wing]

The country is awash in not only guns, but parts for guns. Even if the ATF rule does become effective, there will still be no shortage of supply for those with no quarrels about breaking the law.

What’s left are regular people facing needless interactions with police, arrest, prosecution, convictions, incarceration, or worse — all over possessing things they’ve been able to make and keep all this time.

Well said. I wish there could be a good way to get this message through to the people that are pushing against us. 1 to 2 minutes in front of ideologues has proven to be an uphill battle in my few short years of testifying.

It's good to see you posting again, DC-W!

 

[Slackdaddy]

1 minute, 2 minutes, 30 minutes makes no difference. You are not going to change most of their minds.
I have been going to Annapolis since "Saturday Night Specials" were discovered to be the cause of all of MD's problems, and Vinney Demarco was parading around.

At best we slow them up a year or two,, They introduce a bill, we tell them how F&cked up it is,, they rewrite it next year, we go back and tell them it is still screwed up,, about the 3rd or 4th year they pass it.

The only way it will change is we shift focus and go after the ones introducing this,, on a personal level. Fund there opposition in the primaries. A lot of non whites are starting to wake up to the games the Dems have been playing. (The White liberals are a lost cause)

Well said. I wish there could be a good way to get this message through to the people that are pushing against us. 1 to 2 minutes in front of ideologues has proven to be an uphill battle in my few short years of testifying.

It's good to see you posting again, DC-W!

 

[rbird7282]

Most ranges that I go to check your gun when you arrive to make sure it is cold. If this law goes into effect, all they have to do is flip it over to see if it has a serial number or not.

Or

A cop could be at the range shooting next to you and notice your lack of serial number or numbers. This proposed law opens up a host of ways in regards to how one could find themselves on the "wrong side of the law".

I seriously doubt ranges are going to get into checking serial numbers.
I also seriously doubt police will be doing that a range either.
Any range that wants to check my serial numbers or stamps for suppressors can piss off.


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