SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

[Phoenix_1295]

Vampires must be invited in to a home

Thanks.

After reading your reply, I found this:

Why Do Vampires Have to Be Invited In?

Vampires are certainly the most loved fantasy characters by readers and lovers of legends. For fame and originality, we remember in particular the Count

fictionhorizon.com

 

[scottyfz6]

I agree that leaving out the dwelling portion sucks. But go after the "easy" stuff, once you win that try the harder stuff. Get the fast prelim right now on the easy stuff instead of going after everything and maybe no injunction and waiting 3 years. Its easy enough to add other items later.

 

[AKbythebay]

Regarding the lawsuits, it seems to be good strategy to focus on the publicly accessible locations. This prevents arguments/discussions from getting into the weeds on one issue (dwellings), delaying a ruling on the other issues (publicly accessible places).

I don’t agree with the default prohibition for dwellings; however, it will, likely, not affect as many people as the publicly accessible places. I would think that most dwellings that permit holders visit are those of carry-friendly acquaintances.

Agree completely. Start with the provisions that affect the greatest number of people and have the highest likelihood of being shot down first. The dwelling provision is a much higher hill to climb with a lot less certainty of victory. Let's focus on the things that really hurt us directly in our daily lives. I'm not too concerned personally about the dwelling issue. I would probably only carry at people's houses where I know for a fact they support 2A, and it's very rare I would carry in another person's house anyway. Let's go for the low hanging fruit first and stay out of the weeds. The dwelling suit can always be handled later.

 

[jef955]

Does anyone else here live in a cooperative ? I do, and apparently can't even open my front door, and walk into my own front yard anymore, let alone walk to my car while carrying as of Oct

 

[elwojo]

Vampires must be invited in to a home

Exactly. I'm pretty sure someone else came up with the "vampire" terminology - probably in this thread somewhere.

Agree completely. Start with the provisions that affect the greatest number of people and have the highest likelihood of being shot down first. The dwelling provision is a much higher hill to climb with a lot less certainty of victory. Let's focus on the things that really hurt us directly in our daily lives. I'm not too concerned personally about the dwelling issue. I would probably only carry at people's houses where I know for a fact they support 2A, and it's very rare I would carry in another person's house anyway. Let's go for the low hanging fruit first and stay out of the weeds. The dwelling suit can always be handled later.

The "dwelling" clause may not impact you directly, but it does impact people who carry and go to other people's homes as a part of their job. Electricians, plumbers, realtors, contractors, etc.

I am thinking that the vampire clause might get challenged depending on how COMAR writes it up. However, I'm not certain about that. I don't want to speculate more on why they didn't go about challenging this particular portion yet - although Mark or someone else knowledgeable may grace us with that specific rationale if they want.

 

[babalou]

Regarding the lawsuits, it seems to be good strategy to focus on the publicly accessible locations. This prevents arguments/discussions from getting into the weeds on one issue (dwellings), delaying a ruling on the other issues (publicly accessible places).

I don’t agree with the default prohibition for dwellings; however, it will, likely, not affect as many people as the publicly accessible places. I would think that most dwellings that permit holders visit are those of carry-friendly acquaintances.

so it means that criminals that rob houses cannot carry guns in said houses unless the owners say it is ok?

 

[Occam]

so it means that criminals that rob houses cannot carry guns in said houses unless the owners say it is ok?

Exactly. I'm feeling safer already. Don't you feel the safeness? So safe!

 

[AKbythebay]

The "dwelling" clause may not impact you directly, but it does impact people who carry and go to other people's homes as a part of their job. Electricians, plumbers, realtors, contractors, etc.

Excellent point. That had not occurred to me. My son is an electrician btw.

 

[RFBfromDE]

Exactly. I'm feeling safer already. Don't you feel the safeness? So safe!

The key to safety, is feeling safe. Because without feeling safe, one just doesn't, feel, what's the word, safe!

 

[Apd09]

Excellent point. That had not occurred to me. My son is an electrician btw.

I would imagine that a lot of companies have rules in place about carrying when being an official representative of the organization.
They might say if you carry, you cannot use a company vehicle nor conduct company business.

Can only imagine the reaction of a company the first time they get a call that a technician walked into a customers house and asked permission to bring their gun with them.


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[rbird7282]

so it means that criminals that rob houses cannot carry guns in said houses unless the owners say it is ok?

BINGO!
Well it looks like there won’t be any more home invasions


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[thomfantomas]

so it means that criminals that rob houses cannot carry guns in said houses unless the owners say it is ok?

Someone needs to create an animation of this

 

[ChannelCat]

Bite by Bite

Using their own tactics against them? Payback is a beeatch.

 

[sleev-les]

Vampires must be invited in to a home

Beat me to it. Yes, Vampires could never enter a dwelling if not invited. Or so the story goes

 

[scottyfz6]

I would imagine that a lot of companies have rules in place about carrying when being an official representative of the organization.
They might say if you carry, you cannot use a company vehicle nor conduct company business.

Can only imagine the reaction of a company the first time they get a call that a technician walked into a customers house and asked permission to bring their gun with them.


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Not for me, luckily. I am an estimator/pm for a commercial electrical contractor and my boss was one of my references. And we have been in baltimore and he jokes he is going to hide behind me.

 

[My Toy]

Exactly. I'm pretty sure someone else came up with the "vampire" terminology - probably in this thread somewhere.


The "dwelling" clause may not impact you directly, but it does impact people who carry and go to other people's homes as a part of their job. Electricians, plumbers, realtors, contractors, etc.

I am thinking that the vampire clause might get challenged depending on how COMAR writes it up. However, I'm not certain about that. I don't want to speculate more on why they didn't go about challenging this particular portion yet - although Mark or someone else knowledgeable may grace us with that specific rationale if they want.

OK. I get it now -- just didn't know that about vampires. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

The "dwelling" clause may not impact you directly, but it does impact people who carry and go to other people's homes as a part of their job. Electricians, plumbers, realtors, contractors, etc.

Good point.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

so it means that criminals that rob houses cannot carry guns in said houses unless the owners say it is ok?

Of course. Otherwise, it would not only be criminal, but it would be impolite.

 

[malone630]

Kipke v Moore NRA and MSRPA also plaintiffs.

Now just need all the companies that offer ccw classes to step up and join in the suit

 

[babalou]

Of course. Otherwise, it would not only be criminal, but it would be impolite.

lolol