SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

[scottyfz6]

I asked the Trustee and she said it was OK!

Did you ask the trustee if their name is ALL CAPITAL LETTERS?

 

[BeoBill]

I didn't say they started caring! There is always a BUT-- This number CAN and should be used to call
on telephone the leadership-- Maybe--or more than likely call the governor's office.

Hey- Look SB-1 & HB 284 does have a large number of people--Maryland People buy the way- citizens who
opposed. Will this work, probably NOT. So We continue to TRY.

HERE Ya Go...

 

[lazarus]

If you are suggesting that a homeowner does not have the right to prohibit others from bearing firearms on their property, then we are simply in disagreement.

Here is another thought experiment. I have prohibited others from bearing arms on my property. Despite knowing that, you enter my home armed. You are now an intruder and I may well fear for my life. See “Castle Doctrine” for how I might respond.

If all the stupid crap in SB1, the one I have the least problem with is the explicit permission to carry a firearm in to someone’s dwelling. If it was on to the property, that too me is too far. But it’s someone’s home. If you have to ask, I don’t see any issues with that. Heck I have no problem with private property bans on firearms so long as it requires posting so I know, and if places of public accommodation are not allowed to ban them.

If my neighbor posts their property no guns. Or the private club does, no concerns form me. The Home Depot does, unless they are providing armed security, I have a problem with that.

 

[lazarus]

We have several on MDS

Mine. Though she isn’t that crazy. She just doesn’t like guns, but will tolerate that I own them.

 

[BeoBill]

This law and others like it would literally return the State of Maryland from a republican democracy to a medieval-like feudal state wherein landed gentry hold sway over all aspects of our lives...

This is the recurring goal of the Governor, MGA, County and City Councils and HOAs. With them as the rulers, of course. But are we not already perilously close to this already with our two-tiered legal system? Just sayin'...

 

[44man]

But pass on the redhead, trust me, I know.

HEY!!! DAMN IT!!!
When I was younger I had red hair!!





So I know exactly what you mean lol!

 

[miles71]

But pass on the redhead, trust me, I know.

I must disagree

 

[Biggfoot44]

What gun owner in their right mind would marry an anti-2a spouse? Not to be obtuse, but I think that's something you'd smoke out with the first, .....

While I agree with you, it's more complex than than .

Spouses can previously have no opinion , and later change.

Not all of have been gun people all our lives , some people came to it later in life , after already married .

 

[lazarus]

While I agree with you, it's more complex than than .

Spouses can previously have no opinion , and later change.

Not all of have been gun people all our lives , some people came to it later in life , after already married .

I didn’t own guns or hunt till my early 30s. I got married and had kids in my early 20s. I’ve never been anti-2A. Call it pro-2A, but not caring all that much. My wife was raised super liberal and anti-2A. I was raised pretty middle of the road liberal.

Those opinions really didn’t matter a lot. It would be like saying I am catholic and she is Jewish and we are both non practicing. Suddenly one of us gets real in to religion and wants to start taking the kids to church/temple. The other one might suddenly find their beliefs an issue.

I’ve been dragging my wife to the right. Especially on guns. And she’s been getting more enlightened about guns and gun rights. But it’s been a slow as heck process. But we’ve been married pushing 20 years and less than half of it I’ve owned guns.

I don’t spend my life having regrets or thinking about how I’d do it different again. No point in living in the past. I love my wife. I love my kids. I wouldn’t change the decisions in my life. If someone asked me if I was the person I am today 20 years ago would I have done things different, of course I would. I ain’t the same person today as half my life ago. I doubt my wife of then would be much interested in the me now and I sure wouldn’t be all that interested in my wife of then. If it was my wife of now, then, and me now, then…I’d probably still be interested in her.

I am done putting my brain in a pretzel.

 

[dblas]

I'll make it easy for you right now

WWNC and EBMD

p.s. fvck you MGA

P.P.S.S. CMC

 

[dblas]

I certainly get it, But what about just going to dinner at Red Lobster with your family and one of the “Mommys” bumps into you in line, perhaps notices something, and calls the police?

Willing to risk your family’s life savings in legal fees and end up in prison with no means to support them, then unable to return to your (a) job later due to your record?

This scenario is several orders of magnitude more likely to be the event that lands someone in deep $hit than an actual self defense event.


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Given the number people carrying now, and the number that open carry and don't get noticed now, your example at Red Lobster is several orders of magnitude not to happen.

 

[Doco Overboard]

If you are suggesting that a homeowner does not have the right to prohibit others from bearing firearms on their property, then we are simply in disagreement.

Here is another thought experiment. I have prohibited others from bearing arms on my property. Despite knowing that, you enter my home armed. You are now an intruder and I may well fear for my life. See “Castle Doctrine” for how I might respond.

Billy B I been through the same sort of disagreement here before as far as property goes. Some people just dont get it.

 

[Billyb]

Billy B I been through the same sort of disagreement here before as far as property goes. Some people just dont get it.

It's cool. The free exchange of ideas is the important thing. I really would not want to be on a forum where everyone thinks the same way. Echo chambers and confirmation bias are not good for anyone no matter their beliefs.

 

[elwojo]

Billy B I been through the same sort of disagreement here before as far as property goes. Some people just dont get it.

Can we ban people from possessing marijuana on private property? Alcohol? Meat? Where are the limits here?

Let's be clear: this isn't a trespassing law. It's a law on top of trespassing that can be asserted by the state without the owner pressing charges.

 

[Billyb]

Can we ban people from possessing marijuana on private property? Alcohol? Meat? Where are the limits here?

Let's be clear: this isn't a trespassing law. It's a law on top of trespassing that can be asserted by the state without the owner pressing charges.

Just to be clear: I never said I supported the restrictions found in SB1 that ban possession on private property unless the property owner expressly allows it. I believe such a provision is unconstitutional on at least two levels. What I said is that a private property owner has the right to ban firearms (or anything and anyone, for that matter) on their own property.

The 2nd Amendment constrains only the government from infringing on the right to bear arms. It does not require any citizen to bear arms or to accept the presence of arms on their property.

 

[Lafayette]

Just to be clear: I never said I supported the restrictions found in SB1 that ban possession on private property unless the property owner expressly allows it. I believe such a provision is unconstitutional on at least two levels. What I said is that a private property owner has the right to ban firearms (or anything and anyone, for that matter) on their own property.

The 2nd Amendment constrains only the government from infringing on the right to bear arms. It does not require any citizen to bear arms or to accept the presence of arms on their property.

its a thin distinction, but I look at it this way:

I can’t ban you from having certain things on my property. The only right I SHOULD have is the right to ask you to leave my property if you comport yourself or possess something I don’t like. So I can trespass you and prevent you from darkening my property…but I can’t prevent you from having the thing that I don’t like.

It gets a little sticky with public accommodations, I know. But if Home Depot or Red Lobster doesn’t want my business? Then I won’t enrich their purses with my coin.

Semantics, I know.

 

[elwojo]

I think it seems we are in agreement here: existing trespassing laws cover all of the rights a property owner needs, and getting the state to give special treatment of an otherwise legal item as SB1 does is bad in numerous ways.

 

[Lafayette]

I think it seems we are in agreement here: existing trespassing laws cover all of the rights a property owner needs, and getting the state to give special treatment of an otherwise legal item as SB1 does is bad in numerous ways.

100% this.

 

[Doco Overboard]

It's cool. The free exchange of ideas is the important thing. I really would not want to be on a forum where everyone thinks the same way. Echo chambers and confirmation bias are not good for anyone no matter their beliefs.

Maybe they're all right with the Comcast guy loining the old lady too becuase there no signs prohibiting the behavior as well Idk.

Can we ban people from possessing marijuana on private property? Alcohol? Meat? Where are the limits here?

Let's be clear: this isn't a trespassing law. It's a law on top of trespassing that can be asserted by the state without the owner pressing charges.

I can be clear here too. You would have to be a class A jerk to show up on someones property with some booze and marijuana let alone a gun, uninvited or that you didn't know.
If your dumb enough to believe, you passed some sort of morality check just becuase you have a carry permit and the state has been assured of your propensity for non criminality that doesn't mean doodly squat to me, my family or designee, for my house, lands, private road or whatever.
Now, do I believe a guy should be hung out to dry becuase he crossed some liberal or rhinos wet dream magic kingdom territorial borders in some complicated urban area, no I dont believe that.
That as dumb as showing up to someones place with a gun they dont know about if you ask me.

 

[teratos]

Can we ban people from possessing marijuana on private property? Alcohol? Meat? Where are the limits here?

“We” can’t. The property owner can. Those are all the limits we need.