SB 1097 Likely rewritten to eliminate QHIC HQL Wear and Carry instructors

[welder516]

https://www.wmdt.com/2023/03/maryla...se-training-requirements-for-security-guards/ This is an article that is from last year explaining how training is explained by Tim Otwell and the company for Jill Carter's bill
Please keep in mind this is 1 year old

 

[1time]

The worst thing folks can do with this is divide us more. Take the man at his word.

I am. And nothing in his words stated that he was opposed to the suggestions, only that they weren’t his, personally.

And the worst thing we can do is support people and fund people that work against us. I have more kinship with the gun grabbers than trainers writing this crap and gun shops with no gun signs. At least the grabbers are honest about intent.

 

[1time]

https://www.wmdt.com/2023/03/maryla...se-training-requirements-for-security-guards/ This is an article that is from last year explaining how training is explained by Tim Otwell and the company for Jill Carter's bill
Please keep in mind this is 1 year old

It certainly looks like Atlantic Tactical supports all sorts of training requirements…that they can charge for.

 

[scottyfz6]

https://www.wmdt.com/2023/03/maryla...se-training-requirements-for-security-guards/ This is an article that is from last year explaining how training is explained by Tim Otwell and the company for Jill Carter's bill
Please keep in mind this is 1 year old

It maybe a year old but it sounds like they where pushing for some sort of training that we now know they are the only ones in the state who provide.

 

[welder516]

It certainly looks like Atlantic Tactical supports all sorts of training requirements…that they can charge for.

Last year they wanted security guards (Carter) this year private citizens or other trainers (McKay) . Maybe it is not a pattern ?

 

[1time]

Last year they wanted security guards (Carter) this year private citizens or other trainers (McKay) . Maybe it is not a pattern ?

I know you are funny and also an exceptionally nice guy. I can’t tell which one is going on here.

 

[Doco Overboard]

HAHAHA

Last year they wanted security guards (Carter) this year private citizens or other trainers (McKay) . Maybe it is not a pattern ?

Oh no, plenty of 21234 area code thought processes going on with this one.

 

[welder516]

I know you are funny and also an exceptionally nice guy. I can’t tell which one is going on here.

I think funny is good but i am being coy and i am trying to be kind without flat out being pissed. I know RS and i respect him a lot so i am trying not to be too judgmental to a man i respect.
I like his place and business set up (training) this is bad to me and how much i dislike the government kicks me in the azz on a yearly basis.
I wish it was a different business to be honest.

 

[rbird7282]

This thing stinks more than a dumpster of rotting fish in the middle of August.

 

[BurkeM]

https://www.wmdt.com/2023/03/maryla...se-training-requirements-for-security-guards/ This is an article that is from last year explaining how training is explained by Tim Otwell and the company for Jill Carter's bill
Please keep in mind this is 1 year old

Carter is an idiot- but we already knew that. Otwell wasn't 'wrong' i providing training beyond the statute for HIS paying customers, but he was dead wrong pushing an absurd requirement on 400,000 'guards' who won't ever handle a handgun.

Millions of dollars will be wasted in the next two years on this 12 hr "Guard training" for UNARMED security workers. Companies across the state will lay-off thousands of people rather than comply with extra 'licensing' fees.

Unintended consequences- and I don't recall seeing a lesson plan from MSP Licensing- yet.

 

[welder516]

Carter is an idiot- but we already knew that. Otwell wasn't 'wrong' i providing training beyond the statute for HIS paying customers, but he was dead wrong pushing an absurd requirement on 400,000 'guards' who won't ever handle a handgun.

Millions of dollars will be wasted in the next two years on this 12 hr "Guard training" for UNARMED security workers. Companies across the state will lay-off thousands of people rather than comply with extra 'licensing' fees.

Unintended consequences- and I don't recall seeing a lesson plan from MSP Licensing- yet.

Just think of the money made and spent on making or passing costs down to the private citizen. Someone needs to pay the final cost

 

[BurkeM]

Just think of the money made and spent on making or passing costs down to the private citizen. Someone needs to pay the final cost

The taxpayer, of course.

(one source last year estimated that 80% of security staff in MD are unlicensed)

 

[rbird7282]

Carter is an idiot- but we already knew that. Otwell wasn't 'wrong' i providing training beyond the statute for HIS paying customers, but he was dead wrong pushing an absurd requirement on 400,000 'guards' who won't ever handle a handgun.

Millions of dollars will be wasted in the next two years on this 12 hr "Guard training" for UNARMED security workers. Companies across the state will lay-off thousands of people rather than comply with extra 'licensing' fees.

Unintended consequences- and I don't recall seeing a lesson plan from MSP Licensing- yet.

And now it would appear that Otwell wants it for W&C permit instructors as well, which in turn will add $$ to the cost of getting one.

 

[BurkeM]

The taxpayer, of course.

And now it would appear that Otwell wants it for W&C permit instructors as well, which in turn will add $$ to the cost of getting one.

The 'test' would be both pointless, redundant and expensive.

Citizens would lose - again.

 

[Bob A]

This thing stinks more than a dumpster of rotting fish in the middle of August.

I propose that we make this ^^^ the Official Maryland General Assembly Aroma.

Do I hear a second?

 

[Stoveman]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the good news of the day that Sen Jill Carter, every criminal's best friend, actually voted for a bill that is tough on criminals? I thought Satan's own lightning was going to strike her down and leave nothing but a greasy spot.

 

[dblas]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the good news of the day that Sen Jill Carter, every criminal's best friend, actually voted for a bill that is tough on criminals? I thought Satan's own lightning was going to strike her down and leave nothing but a greasy spot.

Not wrong

 

[rbird7282]

I propose that we make this ^^^ the Official Maryland General Assembly Aroma.

Do I hear a second?

I second the motion!


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[Squaregrouper]

First off some of you are on dangerous ground with libel and slander. One thing is I just got back from three weeks in Hawaii. I personally have had nothing to do this. One of my instructors was a MSP retiree was ASKED to testify for this. Not my job to tell not to. Does this mean that I or ATFT are involved? I am not going against free speech with someone I respect as much as Tim Otwell, someone I have worked out with in martial arts and firearms for over 30 years. His intent was to protect the integrity of the industry. He is only doing it for public safety. If anyone wants to talk to me about this Call me on my private cell at 410-713-2333 but leave me and my company out of your discussions on MD legislatue. By the way John Josselyn texted me and I asked him to call me. Never heard from him at all to get the truth from the horse's mouth. If anyone who knows me knows that I have testified against gun laws since 1985 and have been in Annoplis every year. I haven't seen alot of you do what I have done for 2A in the last few decades.

R.S. MItchell

Why only phone calls? Paper trails/emails/forum posts are a lot harder to deny

WOW.... youre really trying to defend someone who want to make it harder for people to carry. The "letter" the email what every you want to call it is legit. It was verified by his business partner, from what his partner said he did it on his own not as the business partner.. what I find odd is the guy Tim doesnt even come up as a Maryland instructor... so someone who cant legally teach Maryland classes wants Md instructors to take a class the his business teaches...

Hmmmm

Let me understand this. The person who authored the Suggestions works for or is part owner of Atlantic Tactical. A politician asked for this guys Suggestions, probably not as a private citizen but as a instructor at Atlantic Tactical. The guy then writes a letter with Our Suggestions are.. but the owner of AT says he doesn't represent AT??

He represents your business. You may not have authorized him to represent your business but he most certainly does. In my view that is why he was asked and why he stated Our suggestion, not my suggestions

Then Kenpo doesn't even say he disagrees with it and defends that it was done with Public Safety in mind? It gives the appearance of speaking on behalf of AT and Kenpo's response gives the appearance that he at least doesn't disagree with it.

I question this as well.

If Tim Otwell was my employee or in any way affiliated with my business he would be fired before the sun sets today.

Not only did he attempt to benefit his business or his employer through legislative fiat, he also proved that he's a statist bootlicker in the process.

I may be incorrect in my understanding, but I don't think a business partner can be fired. That being said, I agree.

Carter is an idiot- but we already knew that. Otwell wasn't 'wrong' i providing training beyond the statute for HIS paying customers, but he was dead wrong pushing an absurd requirement on 400,000 'guards' who won't ever handle a handgun.

Millions of dollars will be wasted in the next two years on this 12 hr "Guard training" for UNARMED security workers. Companies across the state will lay-off thousands of people rather than comply with extra 'licensing' fees.

Unintended consequences- and I don't recall seeing a lesson plan from MSP Licensing- yet.

Yessir.
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Sorry folks, but this thread and Kenpo's response are not making me think very highly of ATFT.
Not to worry Kenpo, I live in Baltimore County and would likely never be a student of yours anyway. That being said, I won't be referring any more friends on The ES to your training classes.
And yes, I have done my share of Analpolis (sic) testimonies, some of which would have been considered "epic" by 2A supporters. I may piss of the MGA, but I make them think.
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[Allen65]

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And yes, I have done my share of Analpolis (sic) testimonies, some of which would have been considered "epic" by 2A supporters. I may piss of the MGA, but I make them think.
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Um, I think you've won the MDS Lifetime Epic Testimony Award, and the award has now been retired.