SB 1097 Likely rewritten to eliminate QHIC HQL Wear and Carry instructors

[rseymorejr]

Here is the letter of suggested mandatory training instructors should have from the "Eastern Shore" instructors:

Instructors should be trained in more than just NRA basic pistol or USCCA basic pistol training to properly train civilians to obtain Maryland wear and Carry. Currently an NRA or USCCA basic pistol course is acceptable to teach this course for Maryland. Our suggestion in addition to this training on safe pistol handling, instructors should additionally attend a 40-hour training program on use of non-lethal and lethal force. Instructors should receive training on clear definitions of lethal and non-lethal force, use lethal force only as a last resort after first exhausting reasonable alternatives, and only when it is necessary to protect from death or serious injury. Use of less than lethal force when it is necessary and proportionate to the goal. Determining whether use of force is justified requires looking at the totality of the circumstances around the use of force, including whether the use of de-escalation techniques, and whether the individuals’ actions increased the need to use force. At a minimum instructors should be trained in such skills as:

• Justifying the use of deadly force in self-defense
• Use of non-lethal force in self-defense
• Understanding the affirmative defense of self-defense
• Physiological phenomenon involved in deadly force incidents.
• Criminal law and self-defense
• Dynamics of violent encounters
• Mock courtroom exercise
• Issues from actual self-defense cases (case studies)

Additional recommendations would be class sizes, maximum of 30 people (some locations have hosted 100+ person classes, there is no way to properly train with classes that size) A minimum of 1 instructor per 10 people in classroom setting, as well as 1 certified range safety officer per 3 shooters.

Whoever wrote that letter can go to hell. I'll never take any course he offers, ever. And I encourage everyone else to boycott his services too. Jesus Christ, we have enough problems with the democrats in Annspolis trying to screw us we don't need our own people doing it. With "friends" like this we don't need any enemies.

 

[Defense Initiative]

Here is the letter of suggested mandatory training instructors should have from the "Eastern Shore" instructors:

Additional recommendations would be class sizes, maximum of 30 people (some locations have hosted 100+ person classes, there is no way to properly train with classes that size) A minimum of 1 instructor per 10 people in classroom setting, as well as 1 certified range safety officer per 3 shooters.

My understanding was that it is one instructor per five students.

 

[Batt816]

Whoever wrote that letter can go to hell. I'll never take any course he offers, ever. And I encourage everyone else to boycott his services too. Jesus Christ, we have enough problems with the democrats in Annspolis trying to screw us we don't need our own people doing it. With "friends" like this we don't need any enemies.

I couldn’t agree more. This “training amendment” will have an multi form trickle effect. Higher prices for HGP students, less instructors, larger classes, and on and on. What a d!ck move on whoever wrote the “letter”.

 

[Jaybeez]

My understanding was that it is one instructor per five students.

I believe comar requires 1 instructor or rso per 4 students on the line, for mpctc courses. It doesn't apply to us, but it does.

NRA and USCCA have separate requirements, if you are teaching their courses.

 

[Jaybeez]

If Tim Otwell was my employee or in any way affiliated with my business he would be fired before the sun sets today.

Not only did he attempt to benefit his business or his employer through legislative fiat, he also proved that he's a statist bootlicker in the process.

According to his bio on the website (salibury firearms academy), it sounds like he's a partner in the business.

 

[N3uka]

If Tim Otwell was my employee or in any way affiliated with my business he would be fired before the sun sets today.

Not only did he attempt to benefit his business or his employer through legislative fiat, he also proved that he's a statist bootlicker in the process.

Posted earlier in the thread:

Tim is a partner in the company, but not doing this as Atlantic, but as himself.

Never had a partner in any company so not sure how easy to fire? I was a sole owner and closed the business because the owner was an ass.

 

[Stoveman]

According to his bio on the website (salibury firearms academy), it sounds like he's a partner in the business.

And this is the first time in 30 years that his business partner realized that he is a statist bootlicker? I'm not buying it.

The shame of it all is that by either not knowing or looking the other way, it's going to hurt the business.

 

[rbird7282]

If Tim Otwell was my employee or in any way affiliated with my business he would be fired before the sun sets today.

Not only did he attempt to benefit his business or his employer through legislative fiat, he also proved that he's a statist bootlicker in the process.

Yep.

 

[rbird7282]

Okay Smith put two and two together but came up with 3. He said more guns out in the world, but they created sensitive places so they will be in cars, so more will be stolen but wont stop it

It was amazing to actually hear him acknowledge that there would be more firearm thefts due to people leaving them in their vehicle when they go into a sensitive (banned) place

 

[TRON 2.0]

No time stamp yet, I was watching live. Once it's archived I'll look it up.

I was watching the section on sb1097 and it seems like they only decided to table that amendment and discuss it later. Did I miss something where they killed it?

 

[1time]

I don’t think he feels anyway. The Senator is dumb. He took the guys word for it because of who he was when he had a badge. And had fake credibility IMHO

Well here is the rub. Kenpo seems to think he is a great guy worthy of much respect and with solid credentials.

I only know Kenpo from on here and he seems like a good guy. Here though, he came here talking about slander and libel, never said he disagreed with what his employee said. He stated that he had nothing to do with it but then went on to explain that is employee was asked and was just trying to protect the credibility of the industry and had public safety in mind. Defending the guy is not what I would expect from a 2A advocate.

 

[1time]

And this is the first time in 30 years that his business partner realized that he is a statist bootlicker? I'm not buying it.

The shame of it all is that by either not knowing or looking the other way, it's going to hurt the business.

Don’t forget justifying…

 

[rswangz]

I was watching the section on sb1097 and it seems like they only decided to table that amendment and discuss it later. Did I miss something where they killed it?

Said it was removed, but they have other "vehicles." I'm guessing they'll try to slip it in somewhere else.

 

[dblas]

I was watching the section on sb1097 and it seems like they only decided to table that amendment and discuss it later. Did I miss something where they killed it?

Bill passed with three amendments (Stolen firearm, DNR employees, gun buyback updates)

 

[Biggfoot44]

Then Kenpo doesn't even say he disagrees with it and defends that it was done with Public Safety in mind? It gives the appearance of speaking on behalf of AT and Kenpo's response gives the appearance that he at least doesn't disagree with it.

( I am commenting as I , as far as the quoted passage , from P 8 )

Kenpo said that he respected Tim's Free Speach , and reported on Tim's motivations as given to Kenpo.

In that post , Kenpo did not give his own opinion either way .

 

[Biggfoot44]

People speak in areas they know or are employed in regularly without speaking for their employer. Not so unusual to me at least.

True .

But I always make clear that statements or opinions I offer are strictly my own , and not representing Employer .

 

[1time]

( I am commenting as I , as far as the quoted passage , from P 8 )

Kenpo said that he respected Tim's Free Speach , and reported on Tim's motivations as given to Kenpo.

In that post , Kenpo did not give his own opinion either way .

You are correct. I would think he would’ve given his opinion pretty strongly. I’m left to assume he didn’t believe his opinion would be appreciated here.

 

[Biggfoot44]

If Tim Otwell was my employee or in any way affiliated with my business he would be fired before the sun sets today.

RS ( Kenpo333) used the word * Partner * . It is not public knowledge to the Board the exact nature of the business relationship.

 

[Batt816]

You are correct. I would think he would’ve given his opinion pretty strongly. I’m left to assume he didn’t believe his opinion would be appreciated here.

I feel they are “in cahoots”. In my opinion they set out to get this passed to better their own pockets, and screw everyone it effects.

 

[Bertfish]

The worst thing folks can do with this is divide us more. Take the man at his word.