SAF files Suit in Illinois over Right to Carry

[krucam]

Cool! Thanks. We should have some decisions in the next few months -- both the 7 th and the 1st are pretty quick

Very, very busy period coming up. My Outlook Calendar shows the following:
(Disregard Lane tomorrow which has been moved indefinitely, and my sister's birthday today!)

 

[Mr H]

You, Sir, are a junkie.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[esqappellate]

You, Sir, are a junkie.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

That calendar is damn impressive! He is the go to guy for this.

 

[Al Norris]

It's going to be interesting to see which circuit rules first: The 7th in Moore/Shepard or the 10th in Peterson (remembering that orals there was on Mar. 19th).

Even Gray has remarked that the 7th may beat his case to the finish line.

 

[Southwest Chuck]

It's going to be interesting to see which circuit rules first: The 7th in Moore/Shepard or the 10th in Peterson (remembering that orals there was on Mar. 19th).

Even Gray has remarked that the 7th may beat his case to the finish line.

Anyone want to handicap these for me?

 

[Gray Peterson]

Anyone want to handicap these for me?

I don't know what you mean by handicap, but as always, it depends on how fast the panel wants to write the opinion. The Ezell CA7 decision took 3 months or so, but the first McDonald appellate case in 2009 took only a week to get done, as a stepping stone to SCOTUS.

Moore and Shepard will be decided, I can say for an almost certainty, by August 8th of 2012. That is the last day of what is considered the "April 2012" sitting of the court.

 

[esqappellate]

I don't know what you mean by handicap, but as always, it depends on how fast the panel wants to write the opinion. The Ezell CA7 decision took 3 months or so, but the first McDonald appellate case in 2009 took only a week to get done, as a stepping stone to SCOTUS.

Moore and Shepard will be decided, I can say for an almost certainty, by August 8th of 2012. That is the last day of what is considered the "April 2012" sitting of the court.

My money is on the 7th, especially if Easterbrook or Posner is on the panel. The 10th is still struggling to figure out what's before them ...............

 

[krucam]

Things are going into high-simmer mode for the 7th Circuit...

Dare I say, given all the attention, a little concern is being reflected?

05/16/2012 27 Submitted brief by Suzanne M. Loose for amicus City of Chicago, Legal Community Against Violence, Major Cities Chiefs Association, Board of Education of the City of Chicago, Chicago Transportation Authority. Consent from all parties contained within brief. [27] [6398217] [12-1269] (Loose, Suzanne)

05/16/2012 28 Submitted brief by Todd Kim for amicus District of Columbia. Federal or state filer (consent unnecessary). [28] [6398222] [12-1269] (Kim, Todd)

05/16/2012 29 Amicus brief filed by Amici Curiae The Major Cities Chiefs Associaton, Legal Community Against Violence and City of Chicago, CTA, Board of Education of the City of Chicago by consent. Paper copies due on 05/23/2012 Electronically Transmitted. (RS)

05/16/2012 30 Amicus brief filed by Amicus Curiae District of Columbia, Washington D.C. government filing, no consent necessary. Paper copies due on 05/23/2012 Electronically Transmitted. [6398320] [12-1269] (BS)

05/16/2012 31 Disclosure Statement filed by Attorney Alexander D. Marks for Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, International Brotherhood of Police Officers, Major Cities Chiefs Association, National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives, National Black Police Association. Additional Parties: Police Foundation. [31] [6398610] [12-1269] (Marks, Alexander)

05/16/2012 32 Submitted brief by Alexander D. Marks for amicus Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, international Brotherhood of Police Officers, Major Cities Cheifs Association, National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives, National Black Police Association, and Police Foundation. Consent from all parties contained within brief. [32] [6398616] [12-1269] (Marks, Alexander)

05/16/2012 33 Amicus brief filed by Amici Curiae National Black Police Association and Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence by consent. Paper copies due on 05/24/2012 Electronically Transmitted. [6398794] [12-1269]--[Edited 05/17/2012 by RS All other parties listed in party limit entry] (RS)

05/16/2012 THIS CAUSE CONSISTS OF MORE THAN 5 AMICI: The following are those parties , yet are not reflected on the Appellate docket/caption for administrative purposes: International Brotherhood of Police Officers, Major Cities Chiefs Association, National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives, and Police Foundation [6398800-2] [6398800] [12-1269] (RS)

Speaking up so far for Illinois:
City of Chicago
Legal Community Against Violence
Major Cities Chiefs Association
Board of Education of the City of Chicago
Chicago Transportation Authority
District of Columbia
Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence
International Brotherhood of Police Officers
National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives
National Black Police Association
Police Foundation

 

[press1280]

I wonder how many Congressional and state amici our side could get(either here of SCOTUS) for this case?

 

[Al Norris]

Just to sum up the view of all these "authorities:"

 

[krucam]

I wasn't about to download and pay for the above Amici briefs. I have my principles...well, ah never mind....

Anywhoose, the Illinois State Rifle Association is a party in Sheppard and pulled the 5/16/2012 briefs.

http://www.isra.org/lawsuits/#Shepard

• City of Chicago Amicus
  
• District of Columbia Amicus
  
• Brady Center Amicus

 

[esqappellate]

I wasn't about to download and pay for the above Amici briefs. I have my principles...well, ah never mind....

Anywhoose, the Illinois State Rifle Association is a party in Sheppard and pulled the 5/16/2012 briefs.

http://www.isra.org/lawsuits/#Shepard

• City of Chicago Amicus
  
• District of Columbia Amicus
  
• Brady Center Amicus

Thanks! It is far more fun to read our briefs than theirs. Our Kool-Aid tastes a lot better.

 

[Boxcab]

Thanks! It is far more fun to read our briefs than theirs. Our Kool-Aid tastes a lot better.

We expect a summary for those of us that do not speak the language!

A better summary the Al's!

 

[Al Norris]

A better summary the Al's!

Huh?

 

[05FLHT]

Huh?

I thought your summary was spot on, short and concise, but spot on.

 

[krucam]

Still waiting on SAF's Reply Brief, which is due today...

 

[05FLHT]

Still waiting on SAF's Reply Brief, which is due today...

You have no idea how many times I have refreshed this thread...

 

[krucam]

You have no idea how many times I have refreshed this thread...

Sorry...just checked again and 'nada'....I'll check PACER again tomorrow. It's possible I had dates wrong, they got revised, etc....

 

[05FLHT]

Sorry...just checked again and 'nada'....I'll check PACER again tomorrow. It's possible I had dates wrong, they got revised, etc....

Dang it. I saw your post and got excited.

 

[Al Norris]

Today, the appellant, Shepard and Moore, was to have filed briefs in reply to the State. Nothing has yet shown up in the docket for Moore but the attached brief did show up for Shepard.

39 pages, which I have yet to read.

I did catch this little gem, in the opening statements. Y'all will like it:

The State’s primary defense of its unique law banning all carrying of operable firearms in public is that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual right to bear a firearm outside one’s home for personal defense. State Br. at 8, 14. Rather, the Second Amendment right to bear a firearm in public is collective in nature, tied exclusively to service in the militia and arising only when necessary for the common defense against “an oppressive military force if the constitutional order [breaks] down.” State Br. 17, quoting District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 599 (2008).

And y'all thought the collective rights argument was dead!!

ETA: OK, for whatever reasons, my wires were crossed. This is the final reply brief by the appellant/Plaintiff Shepard. Still waiting for Gura's brief in Moore.