SAF-A grave injustice

[jefm]

Ya I question his conservative values and personally don't support him. He is pro gay marriage, pro amnesty and pro Islam. That is no friend of mine. We need to purge the conservative movement of people like that.

I worry that the conservative movement does enough purging on their own. I always vote republican and will continue to do so this round. But so many conservatives seem to want it both ways. They want gov. to keep their noses out of peoples business until it's something they don't like. I really don't care who someone falls in love with. What religion they are, etc.
My wife, a diehard democrat (unfortunately) thinks the Republican party is full of a bunch of white middle age guys who think too much about others religion, race and a womans reproductive organs. Sometimes I have a hard time arguing against that thought.

 

[MDFF2008]

The idea that the NRA is a conservative organization is exactly what the left wants and needs in order to push gun control.

Instead of shutting out the left, we need to create a civil war so to speak in the left. Getting solid pro-2A liberals is key to keeping our 2A rights.

 

[beretta_maven]

The NRA is not a conservative organization. It's strictly a pro-2A organization. Don't dilute its purpose with extraneous agendas. Thanks.

 

[beretta_maven]

Well if someone gets married I better stick my nose in their personal business and make sure the spouse is the correct religion. If not I won't support them. Because religious-based discrimination is important to insure freedom. Yes, that's sarcasm.

I find it unbelievable that alleged conservatives want to grant the government a pass on treating Muslims differently than their other fellow Americans, and think that once that happens it will stop there. But because Norquist recognizes and remembers the whole pesky "freedom of religion" idea as being important to all and not a secret plot, he's now a bad guy.

I can think of no one who has better credentials for supporting the conservative movement in this country than Norquist. Starting in 1968 and continuing through the present day. I might not agree with everything he says but I certainly don't question his motives.

Very well said.

 

[beretta_maven]

Wow.

There's also the view that gun owners and guns need to be embraced by not only conservatives but others who might not be just like us. The "conservative movement" needs to quit shooting itself in the foot.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[beretta_maven]

I worry that the conservative movement does enough purging on their own. I always vote republican and will continue to do so this round. But so many conservatives seem to want it both ways. They want gov. to keep their noses out of peoples business until it's something they don't like. I really don't care who someone falls in love with. What religion they are, etc.
My wife, a diehard democrat (unfortunately) thinks the Republican party is full of a bunch of white middle age guys who think too much about others religion, race and a womans reproductive organs. Sometimes I have a hard time arguing against that thought.

Wow...another great comment! There is hope yet

 

[beretta_maven]

The idea that the NRA is a conservative organization is exactly what the left wants and needs in order to push gun control.

Instead of shutting out the left, we need to create a civil war so to speak in the left. Getting solid pro-2A liberals is key to keeping our 2A rights.

I've said this same thing on multiple occasions and usually get shouted down. In order to win the 2A battle, we need to recruit as many liberals as possible.

 

[robmints]

Wow.

There's also the view that gun owners and guns need to be embraced by not only conservatives but others who might not be just like us. The "conservative movement" needs to quit shooting itself in the foot.

Before I started hanging out around here my day to day life was as a conservative trapped in a liberal utopia. Friends, family, co-workers, all liberal and basking in complaining about how conservative values are the root of all that is corrupt and bad. If conservatism could be stamped out, no matter how, the country and world would be as perfect as it could possibly be.

"gun owners and guns" are not the issue. The rights expressed in the second amendment are. Many liberal utopian friends enjoy and own firearms of all types including nfa items, however they are not supportive of second amendment rights. They support registration and would be fine with keeping their firearms stored at the range and other such nonsense.

When you support a modern liberal national or world view you are shooting yourself in your second amendment foot. Sharing an appreciation of firearms, shooting clays, hitting the range with a suppressed pistol and sb ar are all things i have done many times with wild eyed liberals. They would turn those guns in in a second if required, and vote for representation that support legislation to do so every time they go to the ballot box.

I don't need or want that kind of embracing, thanks for the offer. But no.

 

[Vile Shadow]

Before I started hanging out around here my day to day life was as a conservative trapped in a liberal utopia. Friends, family, co-workers, all liberal and basking in complaining about how conservative values are the root of all that is corrupt and bad. If conservatism could be stamped out, no matter how, the country and world would be as perfect as it could possibly be.

"gun owners and guns" are not the issue. The rights expressed in the second amendment are. Many liberal utopian friends enjoy and own firearms of all types including nfa items, however they are not supportive of second amendment rights. They support registration and would be fine with keeping their firearms stored at the range and other such nonsense.

How can anyone possibly reconcile a seperation between those two things?

 

[DanGuy48]

Before I started hanging out around here my day to day life was as a conservative trapped in a liberal utopia. Friends, family, co-workers, all liberal and basking in complaining about how conservative values are the root of all that is corrupt and bad. If conservatism could be stamped out, no matter how, the country and world would be as perfect as it could possibly be.

"gun owners and guns" are not the issue. The rights expressed in the second amendment are. Many liberal utopian friends enjoy and own firearms of all types including nfa items, however they are not supportive of second amendment rights. They support registration and would be fine with keeping their firearms stored at the range and other such nonsense.

When you support a modern liberal national or world view you are shooting yourself in your second amendment foot. Sharing an appreciation of firearms, shooting clays, hitting the range with a suppressed pistol and sb ar are all things i have done many times with wild eyed liberals. They would turn those guns in in a second if required, and vote for representation that support legislation to do so every time they go to the ballot box.

I don't need or want that kind of embracing, thanks for the offer. But no.

Don't really disagree with anything you say that much, but the bottom line, regardless of my less than exact expressed meaning, is that we need more people fighting on our side. I had a liberal coworker who, when I was expressing dismay about the current firearm regulations said, "what do I care, I have mine?" Aside from that disgusting attitude, it implies that having his is important to him. So, maybe some would put up a stink if it denied them something they wanted. Regardless, we need to change people's minds about guns, gun owners, and educate them about the true meaning of Liberty and the obligations of defending it. My 2 cents.

.....and I didn't mean you had to endure a hug.

 

[Brooklyn]

I've said this same thing on multiple occasions and usually get shouted down. In order to win the 2A battle, we need to recruit as many liberals as possible.

No they need to organise themselves.. then at least we know they are on the level..

NRA is non partisan.. but its a pro gun organization..Not the only pro gun organization..
You can't be very pro gun..if you need a special invite. And if you do.. form.your own org...

That will have much bigger impact.

Meanwhile if other issues are really keeping someone from.joining NRA...perhaps that refects a lack of commitment.

 

[Brooklyn]

Don't really disagree with anything you say that much, but the bottom line, regardless of my less than exact expressed meaning, is that we need more people fighting on our side. I had a liberal coworker who, when I was expressing dismay about the current firearm regulations said, "what do I care, I have mine?" Aside from that disgusting attitude, it implies that having his is important to him. So, maybe some would put up a stink if it denied them something they wanted. Regardless, we need to change people's minds about guns, gun owners, and educate them about the true meaning of Liberty and the obligations of defending it. My 2 cents.

.....and I didn't mean you had to endure a hug.

See these are friends we really do not need. In some cases I Think they are really trying to infiltrate..

Personally, I dont associate with persons like that..

And in the end they will hurt us...

The long game says convert them if possible..but otherwise disown..

These are the sort that back AWB and such.....

If they want to advance such a flavour of pro gun advocacy..they are free to do so under thier own banner...but not free to dilute our brand..

 

[wolfwood]

Okay guys if the NRA is not a traditionally comservative organization what is this friends?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq7jnowk0kk

 

[MDFF2008]

And that video was stupid, because why alienate atheists?

It's simple math.

You need 218+60+1 to enact Federal gun control.

Keep alienating people and see what happens. Rome didn't fall in a day, but it did fall.

 

[Rattlesnake46319]

Judging by this thread, I'm apparently not conservative enough to be in the NRA. Man, that hurts. Being told I'm not hardcore enough by the target market of all those Viagra ads that run on Fox News.

Infighting, backbiting, and a "too little, too late" response to gun-grabbers one state over from their national headquarters. Guess I made the right choice in letting that membership lapse.

 

[DanGuy48]

And that video was stupid, because why alienate atheists?

It's simple math.

You need 218+60+1 to enact Federal gun control.

Keep alienating people and see what happens. Rome didn't fall in a day, but it did fall.

I fall into that category (don't believe in anything supernatural). Some people believe their rights come from God. I can live with that, especially if we have an important, to me, point of agreement. However, I believe our rights, regardless of how they originate, are only as good as our ability to defend them with force. Godlessness is not the root cause, plenty of believers that are thugs and prisoners.

 

[Boom Boom]

The idea that the NRA is a conservative organization is exactly what the left wants and needs in order to push gun control.

Instead of shutting out the left, we need to create a civil war so to speak in the left. Getting solid pro-2A liberals is key to keeping our 2A rights.

Should be plainly obvious. Sadly, way too many 2A supporters get lost in worthless politics.

 

[ryan_j]

Ya I question his conservative values and personally don't support him. He is pro gay marriage, pro amnesty and pro Islam. That is no friend of mine. We need to purge the conservative movement of people like that.

Amnesty and Islam fine I understand that. But I think that it is wrong for conservatives to push gays and lesbians out of the movement. This way we are assuring democratic victory because those people become one issue voters. They aren't all democrat but when they see people like Rick Santorum threatening to make their lives a living hell if elected you can understand their unwillingness to vote our way. I also realize that gay marriage disgusts people but it really harms no one. If we could stick to the Constitution and economic issues that would bring a broader base that would secure victories for the other issues.

 

[MDFF2008]

Amnesty and Islam fine I understand that. But I think that it is wrong for conservatives to push gays and lesbians out of the movement. This way we are assuring democratic victory because those people become one issue voters. They aren't all democrat but when they see people like Rick Santorum threatening to make their lives a living hell if elected you can understand their unwillingness to vote our way. I also realize that gay marriage disgusts people but it really harms no one. If we could stick to the Constitution and economic issues that would bring a broader base that would secure victories for the other issues.

People want to be represented by someone who shares their values. Eventually those 2A liberals will start to push for a candidate who represents them.

 

[TheBert]

Amnesty and Islam fine I understand that. But I think that it is wrong for conservatives to push gays and lesbians out of the movement. This way we are assuring democratic victory because those people become one issue voters. They aren't all democrat but when they see people like Rick Santorum threatening to make their lives a living hell if elected you can understand their unwillingness to vote our way. I also realize that gay marriage disgusts people but it really harms no one. If we could stick to the Constitution and economic issues that would bring a broader base that would secure victories for the other issues.

Every time s Democrat is elected it makes my life hell or some one else's life hell. Did you notice what the Va Gov and AG just tried to do?

Democrats are control freaks who want to tell you how to live your lives. Where you should work. Where you live. What you eat and drink. What you do for fun.




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