Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

[swinokur]

The House votes on HR 38 today.

 

[Biggfoot44]

As written, at 0557hrs today , is any Permit.

What dealmaking might or might not occur in the Senate is unknown.

 

[Vetted84]

Some of you must be reading something different than I am reading.

" Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that—"

I do not believe this bill allows us to carry in MD on a non-resident permit.
I also do not want to be the one to test it in the courts.

 

[Tomcat]

I believe the confusion is due to the difference between the House and Senate versions. House version = any permit, Senate version = home state permit.

 

[swinokur]

Exactly. The HR 38 says " issued pursuant to the law of a state" it does not mention residency

S 446 mentions state of residency.

My read anyway

 

[swinokur]

Differences between the two versions will have to be worked out in conference committee

If they both pass

Here is the wording in the Senate version that requires a resident permit first. The House version contains no such language

The house version uses the word OR to include residents of permitless carry states.

Some of you must be reading something different than I am reading.

" Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a state and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm OR is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that—"

I do not believe this bill allows us to carry in MD on a non-resident permit.
I also do not want to be the one to test it in the courts.

Senate bill S 446
.

 

[Schipperke]

Some of you must be reading something different than I am reading.

" Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that—"

I do not believe this bill allows us to carry in MD on a non-resident permit.
I also do not want to be the one to test it in the courts.

If it is ambiguous, I'd say Frosh will go with what you are lamenting.

Maryland having every border now that is shall issue (DE ?) will be hard pressed not to join if everyone on those borders are free to commute and carry here but we are not. Lots of Virginia folks travel to MoCo for work. I strongly doubt this thing gets through the Senate, so moot.

 

[swinokur]

IMO, neither is ambiguous. Which one will become law depends on what the House-Senate conference committee works out.

But both versions need to pass first.

 

[usa259]

In reference to the Massachusetts lowest "Gun Violence" statement, how about MA ranking of states for violence?

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/macrime.htm

 

[press1280]

I believe the confusion is due to the difference between the House and Senate versions. House version = any permit, Senate version = home state permit.

Not home state permit, but a resident of a state is still bound by that states permit requirement. But a MD resident can carry in any other state with a VA permit, for example.

 

[ironpony]

Reciprocity for states without Sanctuary Cities. Just a thought! Would love to see the behind the scenes talks on the final version. If it passes I would like to believe Hogan will lax G&S requirements soon after and right before Frosh files suit.??

 

[swinokur]

Not home state permit, but a resident of a state is still bound by that states permit requirement. But a MD resident can carry in any other state with a VA permit, for example.

Yes, that's the Senate version.

 

[CrazySanMan]

If this passes I just might visit Maryland more often.

 

[swinokur]

Anyone know a time?


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[eruby]

Anyone know a time?


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Does anyone really know?

Does anyone really care?

 

[swinokur]

They do in Chicago !!!

 

[fightinbluhen51]

can they detach HR38 and vote on the nics fix alone?

They can strip it on the house floor, but I doubt that will happen.

I guess they could, but it's obvious with all the dems whining that it's got a better chance with than without in the senate.

This is 100% correct.

Now, they could still play shinnanigans in conference and strip out HR 38 from the NICS fix bill after the Senate passes it.

If this passes and is signed into law some state will sue and it will be in front of the SCOTUS before any case working its way up through the normal court process.

I doubt it will go much faster than other cases. It'll go at the same speed really.

The only thing is if there is an PI that SCOTUS issues, and I doubt they'll let that happen.

I agree. I'll make a bet they'll run to a Hawaii judge just like they kept doing with the immigration laws.

That's a given. But, Trump is putting more good guys on the bench every day...play chicken if you want to.

As of today, looks like 4 Senate Democrats (MT, WV, IN, and ND) are on board with NCCR, a 5th (MO) doesn't like NCCR but willing to vote for the bill because FixNICS is attached to it.

So we're looking at a potential 52 (GOP) + 5 (Dems) = 57 Total. Only need 3 more Dem Senators to agree to a vote on cloture if the Dems choose to filibuster (and likely one or more will).


Pressure needs to be put on these Senators.


1) Bill Nelson-D (Florida)

2) Angus King-I (Maine)

3) Bob Casey-D (PA)

4) Martin Heinrich-D (NM)

5) Tom Udall-D (NM)

6) Sherrod Brown-D (OH)


They don't all need to vote for the bill, but if some of them can be convinced to vote to advance the bill that is good enough.

Wildcard: Pressure Sen. Al Franken and Bob Menendez to resign due to scandals, then only need 58 votes for cloture on the bill.

That would be too easy. It's not like McConnell is calling for anything more than Franken's ethics investigation. Hell, McConnell's wife basically came out yesterday and said "you know the stakes when you start playing hooky from school."

Capital Hill Switchboard is 202-224-3121. Not sure why this image has 225

As written, at 0557hrs today , is any Permit.

What dealmaking might or might not occur in the Senate is unknown.

You KNOW they will start swinging deals.

Remember, it's Cornyn in the Senate that wants a clean NICS Fix.

If this passes I just might visit Maryland more often.

I've got your first beer if you do.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Separate post.

If you live in Andy Harris' district, you need to call that post turtle.

That fence sitter has "no position" on this bill. How that's possible, I haven't the foggiest. I let them have it, professionally, this morning when I called.

 

[swinokur]

Here we go with the liberal whining


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