Reminder: Wayne LaPierre On Fox News Sunday ...Today!

[LiberalClassic]

That was a pretty tame interview. We have the burden of rebutting these arguments, firing the messenger will make us look like failures. Live debates are all rhetoric, it's like chess, you have to be well practiced at the game to win it.

Wayne: Obama is taking away guns.
Wallace: He's not taking away shotguns.

This was a red herring fallacy, it was easy to refute: Then he should have said he'd take away other guns, but not shotguns.

Wallace: Every day we talk about a shooting, and you don't think that eliminating guns has anything to do with that.

Now he's endorsed a complete gun ban, call him on it. Wallace would say only some guns (semi-autos), then Wayne can say those are the guns the police and the people deem best for protection.

Wallace: Navy Seal murdered.

What point was he trying to make, that being a Navy Seal doesn't prevent them from being murdered? Good to know...

Wallace: The 2A is not unlimited.

The 1A is not unlimited either, that doesn't mean we can ban forms of speech based on the chance they'll be abused.

Wallace: You think average kids need as much protection as the President's? That's ridiculous and you know it.

It's ridiculous to claim that other kids need no protection when they are being massacred.

Wallace: There's no elitism.

There's enough of a problem with violence that you want to ban guns as a solution, yet you claim that only the elite need protection.

 

[OrangeAgent27]

I have no tolerance for Fox News, but even less for Chris Wallace. He doesn't conduct an interview, he bullies, condescends his guests and postures himself as a hard ass. When did we begin allowing for media to treat us like fools and simpletons and accept this new form of "interviewing"? Nothing gets accomplished, you just have a split screen and a cacophony of voices screaming at each other. It's completely imbecilic. IIRC, I believe it started with Hardball

 

[rambling_one]

The NRA is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't.

Wallace's comment would have been: "NRA was invited to participate, but declined."

That gets us far.

 

[Decoy]

Fox news is starting to piss me off, it seems like they have started to become anti-gun in the last few weeks.

 

[smokey]

Fox news is starting to piss me off, it seems like they have started to become anti-gun in the last few weeks.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...rdoch-lets-have-petition-keep-piers-morgan-us

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/12/rupert-murdoch-backs-obamas-gun-grab/

fox is NOT a friend of the constitution. Don't view them as anything but sensationalist and selling a product to the biggest market they can. Murdoch is also in favor of amnesty. You should always fact check and never trust information just handed to you as truth.

 

[alucard0822]

Ugh, he just sucks at debate. Lapierre tends to fall into the arguments of the anti's and fight battles on the battlefields of their choosing. An example is being asked how to stop violence in america. Instead of saying his plan will stop violence in america, he needs to say that it's an impossible premise. Even in prison, where inmates rooms are tossed, and they are strip-searched for weapons then locked in a cage...there's still rape and murder. There is no place on earth where humans live that there is not violence between humans. It's a fact of human nature that some choose to prey on others. The only thing we can do as a society to combat this is to give the law-abiding the tools for defense to confront and stop a threat WHEN they happen, because they will always happen.

Wayne's running around trying not to offend anyone and in the process has a neutered message. Meanwhile, idiots in society continue to be idiots and his attempts at appeasing them aren't doing anything to win them over. They need to have a strong, principled message based on reason and acknowledge that some people are too irrational and emotionally fragile to go along with their message.

Yea, there is a big difference between a CEO or even a lobbyist and a good public relations face and debater. The biggest problem is that the NRA sends their one guy with his sheet of talking points to every press release, debate, or in this case shellacking. I'm not saying they should retire Lapierre, he is familiar to many, and does have a use, but they really need to branch out with some more people. There are many aspects to 2A freedom, and one guy can't cover it all, we have everyone from Ted Nugent and Dennis Miller to Judge Napolitano or Kenn Blanchard, and perhaps hundreds of other well spoken local and national organizers, bloggers and those in the industry who could easily show the NRA isn't just one figurehead, but actually the huge grass roots orgaization the public supports.

In this case Wayne was backed into a corner immediately, and let the flow of the debate go aggainst him instead of recognizing the obvious move of Wallace to control the conversation, and shut him out. It was a difficult spot where Lapierre could not win unless he either broke out some never before seen debate mastery, took the gloves off and fought dirty, or call shenannigans, and walk out as soon as he had the opportunity to do so. There are perhaps hundreds of things he could have said or done to win, or at least not lose. Personally I would like to see him spend more time advocating FOR gun ownership away from the set talking points instead of accepting the box he is put in and simply opposing gun control. Instead of the majority of pro-gun people responsding "oh crap, better break out the credit card and buy that AR I've wanted before they are banned" while the gun control lobby running around empowered and furious, we need to steal their outrage, combine a passionate emotional appeal with logic and facts. We should be outraged that many of our schools still do not allow licensed and trained citizens the means to protect our kids, outraged that the system of armed officers in schools has so far proven 3 times to work in the last month, yet is ignored and ridiculed in the media, and outraged that the only leadership many "representatives" can offer is to dust off failed old gun control proposals, and try to take more from honest citizens.

 

[jeffersm]

Not the greatest speaker! But thanks you for your service sir

 

[1969sschevelle]

Yes the NRA can get a much better debate front person.
That was the #1 rule in debate 101.......have a Great debater.
We need to be hitting back with home runs....innings are running out.

 

[HKB]

They[nra] could really use a woman for a debater that knows all the angles.

 

[press1280]

He acted like it was a gotcha moment when Wallace mentioned LaPierre has bodyguards. I would have shot back and told Wallace that unlike you, I'm not trying to prevent people from owning firearms for protection.
He does really suck as their spokesperson. An Alan Gura would be much better.

 

[Mooseman]

The NRA could use a better public face.

 

[Deep Creek Rock]

There was definetly a few deer in the headlights moment, in that interview. He (Wayne) does seem to kinda stammer when cornered.