Recent 91/30 from Duffy's Gun Room

[protegeV]

Can't wait to get my first mosin. Cut stock, sand it baby smooth, paint it black, add a cheap red dot, huge muzzle brake. That should do it

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Ok, maybe more than a little bit. How does a couple of PM's sound?

Didn't pay it too much thought.

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Paying them no mind is, without a doubt, the best way to handle it...

 

[Alphabrew]

Can't wait to get my first mosin. Cut stock, sand it baby smooth, paint it black, add a cheap red dot, huge muzzle brake. That should do it

Don't forget the pistol grip

 

[RRHemi]

Don't forget the pistol grip

You can get a pistol grip for this thing? Magpul OD Green?

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Can't wait to get my first mosin. Cut stock, sand it baby smooth, paint it black, add a cheap red dot, huge muzzle brake. That should do it

Don't forget the pot-metal turned down bolt handle with the single 10-32 attachment screw from ATI.

You'll have the puritans screaming into the night.

 

[tsmith1499]

Can't wait to get my first mosin. Cut stock, sand it baby smooth, paint it black, add a cheap red dot, huge muzzle brake. That should do it

Don't forget the pistol grip

You can get a pistol grip for this thing? Magpul OD Green?

Don't forget the pot-metal turned down bolt handle with the single 10-32 attachment screw from ATI.

You'll have the puritans screaming into the night.

All of these things have already been done. Search the internet and you will find some "interesting" mosin builds.

 

[sig63]

My friend and I did a drive down to Georgia a few weeks ago utilizing a technique I call "Google Gunshop" to conduct point-to-point navigation. We and as we got further south, everything got cheaper...ammo, mags, guns. Lots of potential "Bubba" projects waiting to be had.

One gem was a 1915 Mosin with the Czar's double-eagle still visible. It did not have the Bubba-d red shellac finish, but some sort of nice oil finish. I think it was all original, as it still had the old-style metal sling swivels and did not appear to be a victim of the 1930s/ It was really gorgeous. I should have picked it up!

 

[iH8DemLibz]

My friend and I did a drive down to Georgia a few weeks ago utilizing a technique I call "Google Gunshop" to conduct point-to-point navigation. We and as we got further south, everything got cheaper...ammo, mags, guns. Lots of potential "Bubba" projects waiting to be had.

One gem was a 1915 Mosin with the Czar's double-eagle still visible. It did not have the Bubba-d red shellac finish, but some sort of nice oil finish. I think it was all original, as it still had the old-style metal sling swivels and did not appear to be a victim of the 1930s/ It was really gorgeous. I should have picked it up!

If we could only go back in time and correct the coulda, woulda, and shoulda moments.

Sounds like a nice piece.

I'm assuming you didn't carry a camera on your trip.

 

[RRHemi]

So now I bubba'd my gun by not removing the red shellac? lol I think my shoulder would not appreciate any device that allows this gun to cycle faster!

 

[Dave91]

My friend and I did a drive down to Georgia a few weeks ago utilizing a technique I call "Google Gunshop" to conduct point-to-point navigation. We and as we got further south, everything got cheaper...ammo, mags, guns. Lots of potential "Bubba" projects waiting to be had.

One gem was a 1915 Mosin with the Czar's double-eagle still visible. It did not have the Bubba-d red shellac finish, but some sort of nice oil finish. I think it was all original, as it still had the old-style metal sling swivels and did not appear to be a victim of the 1930s/ It was really gorgeous. I should have picked it up!

Sounds Finnish.

 

[Machodoc]

The purists on here need to get a grip on reality concerning the Ivanized 91/30's.

I know some of you want to think they were lovingly restored and re-arsenaled in a hermetically sealed room by talented Russian gunsmiths who methodically took the time to look over every gun to make sure every bolt was precisely head spaced and precisely matched to every chamber.

They weren't.

They took piles, and piles, and piles of random parts that were sitting in Ivan's filthy warehouse and unskilled laborers re-ground them and re-stamped them and re-blued them and re-assembled them as fast as they could so they could be exported as fast as they could to be sold to us as fast as they could.
[...]
And none of the above takes into account one irrefutable fact. That it's mine and I like this way.

Peace out my gun loving brothers.

This isn't news to most of us. Read the posts over the years. We know the processes. We know that they were quick & dirty. The only thing I'd disagree with is your claim that they were re-arsenaled for export. Nope. They were re-arsenaled and stored for future need. Then, years later when there wasn't any need and it was determined they were too old to be worth much as military arms, they were exported.

As for, "... none of the above takes into account one irrefutable fact. That it's mine and I like this way" -- just about every post that you'll see here on this sort of subject acknowledges that it's your gun, and you can do with it what you want.

We get that.

Why, then, don't some others get that this is a forum that is, by definition, for collectors (that's what a C$R license is all about), and that doing a bubba job on a firearm diminishes its collector value, rather than enhance it? And in some cases, it takes it out of the C&R category ... what's so hard to understand about that?

When someone comes into any group and essentially says, "I don't care what you guys here think. It's mine, and I'm going to do what I want, then I'm going to make a point of rubbing it into your faces!" ... that person shouldn't expect a warm welcome.

Why insist on doing that, even though it's your gun? There are lots of other places on the internet, and even other groups here, where "customizing" guns is their thing. Why not go there to discuss how you modified a firearm to suit your desires?

The argument here isn't that you don't have a right to do what you wish with your guns. It's that this is a place to talk about collecting and preserving firearms and their history, rather than stirring up shit by trying to make the group into what you want it to be.

 

[Machodoc]

My kind of thread. I'm not arguing any opinion. Just here to stir the pot.
http://surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=62855&sid=07c41408248abc36b854db04d6be8fb1

Thank You for Your interest to the guns produced earlier in Russia.
There were two types of finish during the rifle M 1891 production:
1. processing by boiled linseed oil with coloration (toning) and outside surface final smoothing.
2. impregnation in bath on basis of pine tar by liquid-bath method, polishing and shellac varnish covering.
Two methods were used as for the rifles M 1891, so for the other riffle models including civil guns.

Good info, but he doesn't say when (and where) each of the methods was used. We know that the factory-rearsenaled Mosins that have been imported in recent years were all, or nearly all, coated in red shellac. That's part of their history. I've got a couple of M91s that were probably originally preserved with diluted pine tar, then rubbed with BLO. They also had different sights on them when they were new. But these were re-arsenaled rifles that have different stocks, sights, and re-numbered other parts. That's what I'm preserving. If it were original, with all original parts and finish, I'd preserve it that way.

 

[Melnic]

^^^^^^ +1

Your Mosin looks good, just not authentic anymore.
I started my C&R wanting to refinish and did so on a spare stock. One stock replaced the original stock on my PU sniper and the original is now safe from range abuse. The replacement, I color matched shellac to look like a refurb but when asked, will tell the story.

I've been steered in the right direction for preserving hope others will.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

AGAIN, removing that red shellac is not Bubbafication.

Applying Danish Oil is not Customization.

But some of you are bordering on N*zification.

I went back and re-read the entire law pertaining to Curio and Relics. No where did it say removing red shellac takes a firearm out of C&R status.

Also, my 91/30 has a cut down M91 stock. M91 stocks did not come with red shellac. So I removed the red shellac.

Are you ready to climb out of the box yet or do you still have some sand to throw?


And as you well know, I did start a thread called "The Official Bubbafication Porn Thread".

 

[protegeV]

For the love of God. These are not high dollar collectors items. It's not a walker colt. It's a freak in $100 rifle, possibly the most common military rifle in the world. Do whatever you want.

 

[Machodoc]

AGAIN, removing that red shellac is not Bubbafication.

Well, since "Bubbafication" is a totally subjective term, Bubba is in the eyes of the beholder.

Applying Danish Oil is not Customization.

See above. All that I've said here is that it's removing some of the history of the piece, and most collectors try to preserve the history of a firearm--even if that history includes a government re-arsenal.

But some of you are bordering on N*zification.

That's a subjective call, too.

I went back and re-read the entire law pertaining to Curio and Relics. No where did it say removing red shellac takes a firearm out of C&R status.

No, it doesn't ... and nobody said that. Don't misquote people in an effort to make yourself a victim. I've personally only said that some modifications that people do to C&R firearms take them out of that category ... and that's a fact.

Also, my 91/30 has a cut down M91 stock. M91 stocks did not come with red shellac. So I removed the red shellac.

Ok. Your call. Your gun. What's your point?

Are you ready to climb out of the box yet or do you still have some sand to throw?

It's only "throwing sand" if you insist that's what it's all about. You came in here and decided that everyone has to play by your rules, and agree with you, even though you have been promoting things that are contrary to what the group's about. It sort of seems like you stepped into the sandbox and started throwing the sand.

And as you well know, I did start a thread called "The Official Bubbafication Porn Thread".

Yep. You did.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Insist that people play by my rules.....???

Where in the F**K did that come from?

I simply posted pictures of my rifle with the name of a local gun shop in an attempt to inform other MDS members of nice 91/30s in the area.

Later, Bub

 

[Melnic]

Opinions are opinion, People can post them.
But no reason to lash out when you don't like the opinions.
I recommend the insinuating curse words do not continue, that should IMO not be present here when directed from one member to another. We can list our opinions without that.

I like it when Macodoc pops in and mentions his (shared by others) opinions on stock modifications because sometimes others read these posts and its helpful for them to get multiple opinions.

I"m sorry you are not getting a 100% agreement on your work, I can agree the work was done well and it "LOOKS" clean, but that's not everyone's cup of tea here in the C&R section. If someone posts a rifle, people will lend opinions.

What you had there was actually not so much of a $100 rifle, Its pre-war dated Hex with a pre-war stock. With that repair on it, wood is still in great shape. Its worth was more than the average 43 Iz refurb.

 

[Dave91]

How can you tell it's a cut down m91 stock? Just curious.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Model 91 rifle stocks had screws which held the escutcheon/sling plates in place.

The light colored wood splice on the end of the fore stock was installed so the steel nose cap could be re-attached.

It still has faint remnants of the five pointed star on the butt stock. Ivan almost sanded it away.