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  • Blaster229

    God loves you, I don't.
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 14, 2010
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    He issued a paper saying that because guards may arrest (in limited situations) during the course of their duty regarding prisoners. Their "power of arrest" that includes them under LEOSA qualification.
     

    redeemed.man

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    Apr 29, 2013
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    HoCo
    He issued a paper saying that because guards may arrest (in limited situations) during the course of their duty regarding prisoners. Their "power of arrest" that includes them under LEOSA qualification.
    The power of arrest qualifies them. Plenty of state and county corrections officers qualify as well. NY and NJ corrections are sworn and qualify.
     

    Blaster229

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    Sep 14, 2010
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    That Federal BOP Corrections is law enforcement and qualifies for LEOSA.

    Dude. Listen to me. His agency will not issue him a leosa card (in order to carry) while he is employed as a guard. He is not recognized as a federal law enforcement officer with powers of arrest under federal USC. (For none other than their limited arrest over prisoners)
    The attorney General threw BOP a bone for retirees in order to get LEOSA.
     

    pilotguy299

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 26, 2010
    1,809
    FredNeck County, MD
    Of course the agency won't issue a LEOSA card for active employees. They are covered by their agency issued credentials according to 18USC926B(d):

    (d)
    The identification required by this subsection is the photographic identification issued by the governmental agency for which the individual is employed that identifies the employee as a police officer or law enforcement officer of the agency.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926B

    Unless of course the agency doesn't understand the law.

    Go back and read the .pdf with the memos from the Director of the BOP and the US Attorney General. Despite comments to the contrary, the Department of Justice considers most BOP employees as law enforcement officers. Thankfully I never worked for BOP, but I did have to deal with them regularly on these kind of issues.

    This is like all of those people who say you aren't a real LEO unless you are an 1811. They belittle 1801s and 0083s, which is just as wrong.
     

    redeemed.man

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 29, 2013
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    HoCo
    Dude. Listen to me. His agency will not issue him a leosa card (in order to carry) while he is employed as a guard. He is not recognized as a federal law enforcement officer with powers of arrest under federal USC. (For none other than their limited arrest over prisoners)
    The attorney General threw BOP a bone for retirees in order to get LEOSA.
    Sorry brother but you are still wrong. I emailed you the BOP LEOSA info, too much to fit in a post. They use the standard BOP ID.

    Check your email.
     

    Blaster229

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    Sep 14, 2010
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    Glen Burnie
    Sorry brother but you are still wrong. I emailed you the BOP LEOSA info, too much to fit in a post. They use the standard BOP ID.

    Check your email.

    Ok. You still don't understand the difference. LEOSA, when it comes to the BOP, is for retirees.

    They do not go to FLETC mixed police basic to become federal leos. They will not get a LEOSA card while they are active, enabling them to carry nationwide. Retire or separate under LEOSA requirements, then they qualify.
    Ignorance on local or state leos nationwide where a BOP guard gets by carrying u gun on his credentials, is a lucky day for him.

    If 5 federal guys try to board a plane and 1 is secret service, 1 is atf, 1 is fbi, 1 is dea and 1 is a BOP guard, guess who is not getting on the plane?

    I know you take up the plight for the corrections guys, but you're wrong thinking they are working federal leos, as federal police.
    They fit more into the "military" category when considered. Much like mps and such.

    Let's see what his creds say as far as making arrests and carrying weapons. Pretty sure the vernacular resembles nothing like federal agents/police creds.
     

    pilotguy299

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 26, 2010
    1,809
    FredNeck County, MD
    Ok. You still don't understand the difference. LEOSA, when it comes to the BOP, is for retirees.

    ....

    Please read the 4th paragraph of page 11 of the .pdf:

    http://handgunlaw.us/documents/FBOP-LEOSAMemo.pdf

    It clearly says that current employees of the BOP may qualify as LEOs for the purposes of the act (LEOSA).

    The Attorney General of the United States has clearly stated that certain current and retired employees of the US Bureau of Prisons may be considered law enforcement officers.

    Only his vote matters.

    And just out of curiosity, do they have a U# like the rest of us? As the supervisor of the POC for my agency, I was CC'd on every 3am email when those were sent out.

    Thankfully as my fat a$$ is now retired, I don't get those annoying emails anymore :)
     

    redeemed.man

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 29, 2013
    17,444
    HoCo
    Ok. You still don't understand the difference. LEOSA, when it comes to the BOP, is for retirees.

    They do not go to FLETC mixed police basic to become federal leos. They will not get a LEOSA card while they are active, enabling them to carry nationwide. Retire or separate under LEOSA requirements, then they qualify.
    Ignorance on local or state leos nationwide where a BOP guard gets by carrying u gun on his credentials, is a lucky day for him.

    If 5 federal guys try to board a plane and 1 is secret service, 1 is atf, 1 is fbi, 1 is dea and 1 is a BOP guard, guess who is not getting on the plane?

    I know you take up the plight for the corrections guys, but you're wrong thinking they are working federal leos, as federal police.
    They fit more into the "military" category when considered. Much like mps and such.

    Let's see what his creds say as far as making arrests and carrying weapons. Pretty sure the vernacular resembles nothing like federal agents/police creds.
    It's pointless arguing. You are wrong. It is not just for retirees. I sent you the guidance for BOP.
     

    redeemed.man

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 29, 2013
    17,444
    HoCo
    Ok. You still don't understand the difference. LEOSA, when it comes to the BOP, is for retirees.

    They do not go to FLETC mixed police basic to become federal leos. They will not get a LEOSA card while they are active, enabling them to carry nationwide. Retire or separate under LEOSA requirements, then they qualify.
    Ignorance on local or state leos nationwide where a BOP guard gets by carrying u gun on his credentials, is a lucky day for him.

    If 5 federal guys try to board a plane and 1 is secret service, 1 is atf, 1 is fbi, 1 is dea and 1 is a BOP guard, guess who is not getting on the plane?

    I know you take up the plight for the corrections guys, but you're wrong thinking they are working federal leos, as federal police.
    They fit more into the "military" category when considered. Much like mps and such.

    Let's see what his creds say as far as making arrests and carrying weapons. Pretty sure the vernacular resembles nothing like federal agents/police creds.

    WRONG PART 1:

    U.S. Department of Justice
    Federal Bureau of Prisons

    Office of the Director
    Washington, D.C. 20534

    February 27, 2006

    MEMORANDUM FOR ALL STAFF

    FROM:
    Harley G. Lappin, Director

    SUBJECT:
    Guidance Regarding the Law Enforcement OfficersSafety Act (LEOSA)

    This memorandum provides updated guidance regarding the LawEnforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (P.L. 108-277; 18 U.S.C.
    §§ 926B and 926C; July 22, 2004) (LEOSA) as it pertains to Bureauof Prisons (Bureau) staff. My March 14, 2005, memorandum to allstaff titled “Information on Implementation of the Law EnforcementOfficers Safety Act” is hereby rescinded. Management and theUnion met in April 2005 over the implementation of LEOSA. All
    matters that were agreed upon between the parties are incorporatedin this memorandum.1 The President of the Council of Prison
    Locals received a copy of this memorandum prior to issuance.

    LEOSA exempts qualified current and retired law enforcementofficers from State and local laws that prohibit carryingconcealed firearms2 (a copy of LEOSA is included with thismemorandum as an attachment). On January 31, 2005, the

    1 Management and the Union could not come to a resolution on the matterof personal weapon storage for staff on BOP property.

    2 The law should not be interpreted as granting any benefits other thanthe exemption to State and local prohibitions on the carrying of a concealedfirearm. State and local jurisdictions regulate an individual's ability toobtain a firearms permit or purchase a firearm in a variety of ways. For
    example, at least one jurisdiction has imposed a requirement that anindividual's employer verify the employee's need to carry a firearm off dutyas a condition of his or her employment. Bureau staff are not required tocarry a firearm off duty as a condition of employment, and, therefore, theBureau is not responsible for providing a letter of necessity or statement tothis effect.

    Department of Justice (Department) issued guidance to allcomponents regarding application of LEOSA to current and retiredDepartment law enforcement officers (a copy of the Department’sguidance is included with this memorandum as an attachment).3
    Most BOP staff who have primary or secondary law enforcementstatus are “law enforcement” officers as defined in LEOSA,
    because most of these staff are “authorized by the agency tocarry a firearm,” as required by the law (see 18 U.S.C. § 926B(c)(2)). But, certain staff who qualify as “law enforcementofficers” for retirement purposes are NOT “authorized by theagency to carry a firearm,” (for example, Chaplains, as discussedbelow). A staff member’s retirement system status (i.e., lawenforcement status) is a necessary condition but not a sufficientcondition to determine eligibility under LEOSA.4

    This memorandum should not be construed as the Bureau of Prisons
    encouraging any staff member to take any particular action withregard to LEOSA. Staff must continue to abide by Bureau policiesand/or procedures regarding personal firearms that:

    (1) prohibit staff from carrying or using a personal firearmwhile on duty;
    (2) prohibit personal firearms from being brought into aninstitution or on the grounds of any Federal prison (exceptfor personal firearms to be used on an institution firingrange as authorized by the Warden, where constant possessionand control of the firearm is maintained);
    3 LEOSA defines a qualified current law enforcement officer as anemployee who (1) is authorized by law to engage in or supervise theprevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarcerationof any person for, any violation of law, and has statutory powers of arrest;

    (2) is authorized by the agency to carry a firearm; (3) is not the subject ofany disciplinary action by the agency; (4) meets standards, if any,
    established by the agency which require the employee to regularly qualify inthe use of a firearm; (5) is not under the influence of alcohol or anotherintoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; and (6) is not prohibited byFederal law from receiving a firearm.
    4 The Department’s guidance makes clear that individuals who meet thedefinition of a qualified law enforcement officer under LEOSA may or may not
    meet the definition of a law enforcement officer under the Civil Service
    Retirement System or the Federal Employees Employee Retirement System.
    (Emphasis added.)

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    (3) prohibit storing personal firearms in Bureau facilities5 or
    in vehicles parked on Bureau property; and
    (4) require personal firearms that are owned by staff inreservation housing to be stored in a specified secure areaother than residences.
    Personal Responsibility of Off-Duty Employees for Carrying/UsingConcealed Personal Firearms Under LEOSA
    The carrying of concealed personal firearms by off-duty staffpursuant to LEOSA is not an extension of official Bureau duties.
    Any actions taken by off-duty staff involving personal firearmswill not be considered actions within the scope of Bureauemployment, but rather will be considered actions taken asprivate citizens. Off-duty staff will be individually andpersonally responsible for any event that may relate to thecarrying or use of a concealed personal firearm under LEOSA.

    Arrest and law enforcement authorities for Bureau employees aregoverned by statute (18 U.S.C. § 3050) (attached), Federalregulations (28 C.F.R. §§ 511.10-511.16) (attached), theDepartment of Justice Policy Statement on the Use of Deadly Force(attached), and Bureau policy (Program Statement No. 5510.09,Searching, Detaining, or Arresting Persons Other than Inmates;
    and Chapter 7 of Program Statement No. 5500.12, CorrectionalServices Procedures Manual on “Firearms and Badges”). These
    authorities may be exercised only in furtherance of officialBureau duties as explained in the statute, regulations, andprogram statements. LEOSA does not, within the Act itself, giveoff-duty staff any arrest authority or law enforcement authority.

    Additionally, LEOSA exempts qualified current and retired lawenforcement officers from State and local laws that prohibit“carrying” concealed firearms. LEOSA’s language does not includeexemptions from State and local laws for any other firearms-
    related activities, for example, purchasing, registering,
    licensing, or the permissible use of firearms. It is, therefore,
    incumbent upon off-duty staff to be aware of the laws,
    ordinances, regulations, etc., within their jurisdiction that mayimpact any aspect of their ability to obtain, carry, or use apersonal firearm under LEOSA.

    5 On April 7, 2005, Management and the Executive Board of the Council ofPrison Locals agreed that “local supplemental agreements or MOUs negotiatedunder the current Master Agreement remain in effect under the terms of thecurrent Master Agreement and are not affected by this guidance unless they arecontrary to or are in violation of law (statute) or regulation.”

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    Use of Bureau of Prisons Identification for LEOSA PurposesFollowing Union negotiations, the Bureau has decided to approvestaff use of Bureau identification cards or credentials for LEOSA
    purposes. Consequently, the Bureau will no longer issue specificLEOSA identification cards. Staff who received a LEOSA
    identification card pursuant to the March 14, 2005, guidance mustreturn it to the Employee Services Department within two weeks ofthe date of this memorandum.

    Bureau identification cards or credentials may always be used bystaff to verify Bureau employment to any entity. This includes,
    but is not limited to, presenting your Bureau identification cardor credentials, when necessary, to another Federal, State, orlocal law enforcement officer for purposes of explaining youreligibility to carry a concealed personal firearm in public underLEOSA. This situation could arise during a routine traffic stop,
    while shopping in public, or in other situations.

    In these type situations, it is important that off-duty staff notmisrepresent that they are acting in furtherance of theirofficial Bureau duties. There should never be a time when off-
    duty staff claim to be carrying a concealed personal firearm as
    part of their Bureau employment or in furtherance of their
    official Bureau duties.

    LEOSA does not alter the Bureau’s policy which allows the use ofBureau credentials to obtain permissible discounts offered to abroad class of Government employees (see Bureau Program StatementNo. 3420.09, Standards of Employee Conduct, Section 17.c).
    Neither does LEOSA change the Bureau’s policy regarding badges.
    Official Bureau identification badges will be issued to staffonly when they are assigned to duties that require the carryingof a firearm (see Bureau Program Statement No. 5500.12,
    Correctional Services Procedures Manual, Section 705).

    Outside EmploymentThe Bureau rescinds its categorical prohibition on outsideemployment which requires the use of a firearm (see BureauProgram Statement No. 3420.09, Standards of Employee Conduct,
    Section 18). The Program Statement will be amended to reflectthis change.

    Employees are reminded that pursuant to 5 C.F.R. § 3801.106(b)(ii)
    they are still prohibited from engaging in outside employmentthat involves criminal matters. “Criminal matters,” for thispurpose, includes involvement with a Federal, State, or local lawenforcement agency, or with inmates as defined in the Standardsof Conduct, or with State and local inmates. In addition, the

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    prohibition covers outside employment that requires beingdeputized, granted police powers or arrest authority, orinvolvement with the courts. All requests for outside employmentthat require the carrying of a firearm must be reviewed andapproved by the staff member’s immediate supervisor, CEO, and theEthics Office prior to beginning the outside employment.

    Specific examples of prohibited outside employment may include,
    but are not limited to: auxiliary, reserve, or regular policeofficers; sheriffs or deputy sheriffs; and other positions thatprovide police or arrest powers to enforce criminal laws.

    Specific examples of permissible outside employment may include,
    but are not limited to: a property repossessor charged withrecovering property on behalf of a financial institution, a storesecurity guard, positions involving search and rescue operations,
    and other positions that do not require the use of police powersor arrest authority, but may allow the carrying of a firearm.

    Disciplinary ActionTo be a qualified law enforcement officer for purposes of LEOSA,
    an employee must not be “the subject of any disciplinary actionby the agency.”6 For this purpose, the Bureau considers anemployee to be the subject of “any disciplinary action” when thedecision letter is issued to the employee (meaning, disciplinaryaction begins). Disciplinary action ends when all sanctions thatwere issued are completed. “Disciplinary action” includes bothdisciplinary and adverse actions as stated in the MasterAgreement and Title 5 C.F.R. Part 3801. For demotion actions and
    letters of reprimand, the sanction is deemed completed on thedate the letter rendering the demotion action or the letter ofreprimand is issued.

    Public Health Service Officers
    Public Health Service (PHS) officers detailed to the Bureau donot have the statutory powers of arrest conferred upon Bureaustaff by 18 U.S.C. § 3050 (see 28 C.F.R. § 511.10(b)).
    Consequently, these PHS officers do not meet one of the necessarycriteria in the LEOSA definition of a “qualified law enforcementofficer,” and do not qualify to carry a concealed personalfirearm pursuant to LEOSA.

    6 See Bureau Program Statement No. 3420.09, Standards of Employee
    Conduct, for a review of what is considered to be disciplinary action by theBureau.

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    ChaplainsBureau Program Statement No. 3939.07, Chaplains’ Employment,
    Responsibilities, and Endorsements, expressly prohibits chaplainsfrom participating in firearms training, which likewise prohibitsthem from being issued firearms to perform official Bureauduties. Consequently, because chaplains are not “authorized bythe agency to carry a firearm,” they do not meet one of thenecessary criteria to be a “qualified law enforcement officer”
    for LEOSA purposes, and do not qualify to carry a concealedpersonal firearm pursuant to LEOSA.

    Employees For Whom Firearms Qualification is OptionalEmployees in non-institution, primary or secondary lawenforcement status (e.g., Central Office and Regional staff), maychoose to complete the Bureau’s firearms qualification program inorder to remain authorized to be issued a firearm as part ofofficial Bureau duties. Such staff should consult with their
    Employee Services Department to determine the most appropriatemethod for qualifying. Most likely, the Employee ServicesDepartment will have to coordinate with a Bureau facility thatprovides firearms qualification to determine a suitable time fornon-institution staff.

    Retired Law Enforcement Officers
    Some Bureau retirees who were law enforcement officers will wish
    to take advantage of this law. The guidance from the Departmentrequires that a retiree’s identification include the name ofthe individual, the individual’s photograph, an identificationnumber traceable to the bearer, the date the employee retiredin good standing, and the phrase “Retired Law EnforcementOfficer.” Guidance regarding the issuing of the requiredidentification cards to retirees is contained in a March 30,2005, memorandum from W. Elaine Chapman, Acting AssistantDirector, Human Resource Management Division, to EmployeeServices Administrators and Managers titled “Additional Guidanceand Procedures for Bureau Retirees to Obtain a Law Enforcement
    Officers Safety Act Identification Card.”

    The Bureau will not be responsible for training or qualifyingretirees to carry a concealed personal firearm under LEOSA. In
    order to be authorized under LEOSA to carry a firearm, a Bureauretiree must qualify in accordance with State standards foractive law enforcement officers, as provided in LEOSA (18 U.S.C.
    § 926C(d)(2)(B)), and the guidance from the Department.

    Copies of LEOSA to EmployeesAll Bureau employees will be provided a copy of this guidancememorandum and its attachments and are required to sign toacknowledge receipt of these documents.

    Attachments

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    Acknowledgment of Receipt of Guidance Materials
    Regarding the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004

    I have received a copy of the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act

    (P.L. 108-277); the Bureau of Prisons February 27, 2006,
    memorandum titled “Guidance Regarding the Law EnforcementOfficers Safety Act (LEOSA);” the Department of Justice’s January31, 2005, memorandum titled “Guidance on the Application of theLaw Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 to Current andRetired Department of Justice Law Enforcement Officers,” title 18
    U.S.C. § 3050; 28 C.F.R. §§ 511.10-511.16, and the Department ofJustice Policy Statement on the Use of Deadly Force.
    Staff Member Printed Name

    Staff Member Signature

    Date Signed

    Place this form on the left side of the employee’s OfficialPersonnel Folder
     

    redeemed.man

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 29, 2013
    17,444
    HoCo
    PART 2

    Title 18, United States Code

    § 3050. Bureau of Prisons employees’ powers

    An officer or employee of the Bureau of Prisons may—

    (1) make arrests on or off of Bureau of Prisons property without warrant for violations of
    the following provisions regardless of where the violation may occur: sections 111
    (assaulting officers), 751 (escape), and 752 (assisting escape) of title 18, United States
    Code, and section 1826 (c) (escape) of title 28, United States Code;
    (2) make arrests on Bureau of Prisons premises or reservation land of a penal, detention,
    or correctional facility without warrant for violations occurring thereon of the following
    provisions: sections 661 (theft), 1361 (depredation of property), 1363 (destruction of
    property), 1791 (contraband), 1792 (mutiny and riot), and 1793 (trespass) of title 18,
    United States Code; and
    (3) arrest without warrant for any other offense described in title 18 or 21 of the United
    States Code, if committed on the premises or reservation of a penal or correctional
    facility of the Bureau of Prisons if necessary to safeguard security, good order, or
    government property;
    if such officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the arrested person is guilty of
    such offense, and if there is likelihood of such person’s escaping before an arrest warrant can be
    obtained. If the arrested person is a fugitive from custody, such prisoner shall be returned to
    custody. Officers and employees of the said Bureau of Prisons may carry firearms under such
    rules and regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe.

    PUBLIC LAW 108–277—JULY 22, 2004 118 STAT. 865

    Public Law 108–277
    108th Congress
    An Act

    To amend title 18, United States Code, to exempt qualified current and former
    law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed
    handguns.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
    the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Law Enforcement Officers Safety
    Act of 2004’’.

    SEC. 2. EXEMPTION OF QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
    FROM STATE LAWS PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF
    CONCEALED FIREARMS.

    (a) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code,
    is amended by inserting after section 926A the following:
    ‘‘§ 926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law
    enforcement officers

    ‘‘(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any
    State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is
    a qualified law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification
    required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm
    that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce,
    subject to subsection (b).

    ‘‘(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit
    the laws of any State that—
    ‘‘(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict
    the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

    ‘‘(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any
    State or local government property, installation, building, base,
    or park.
    ‘‘(c) As used in this section, the term ‘qualified law enforcement

    officer’ means an employee of a governmental agency who—

    ‘‘(1) is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the
    prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the
    incarceration of any person for, any violation of law, and has
    statutory powers of arrest;

    ‘‘(2) is authorized by the agency to carry a firearm;
    ‘‘(3) is not the subject of any disciplinary action by the
    agency;

    ‘‘(4) meets standards, if any, established by the agency
    which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use
    of a firearm;

    July 22, 2004

    [H.R. 218]
    Law Enforcement
    Officers Safety
    Act of 2004.
    18 USC 921 note.

    118 STAT. 866 PUBLIC LAW 108–277—JULY 22, 2004

    ‘‘(5) is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating
    or hallucinatory drug or substance; and

    ‘‘(6) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a
    firearm.
    ‘‘(d) The identification required by this subsection is the photo

    graphic identification issued by the governmental agency for which
    the individual is employed as a law enforcement officer.
    ‘‘(e) As used in this section, the term ‘firearm’ does not include—
    ‘‘(1) any machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the
    National Firearms Act);
    ‘‘(2) any firearm silencer (as defined in section 921 of this
    title); and
    ‘‘(3) any destructive device (as defined in section 921 of
    this title).’’.

    (b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections for such
    chapter is amended by inserting after the item relating to section
    926A the following:
    ‘‘926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law enforcement officers.’’.

    SEC. 3. EXEMPTION OF QUALIFIED RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
    FROM STATE LAWS PROHIBITING THE CARRYING
    OF CONCEALED FIREARMS.

    (a) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code,
    is further amended by inserting after section 926B the following:
    ‘‘§ 926C. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified retiredlaw enforcement officers

    ‘‘(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any
    State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is
    a qualified retired law enforcement officer and who is carrying
    the identification required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed
    firearm that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign
    commerce, subject to subsection (b).

    ‘‘(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit
    the laws of any State that—
    ‘‘(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict
    the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

    ‘‘(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any
    State or local government property, installation, building, base,
    or park.
    ‘‘(c) As used in this section, the term ‘qualified retired law

    enforcement officer’ means an individual who—

    ‘‘(1) retired in good standing from service with a public
    agency as a law enforcement officer, other than for reasons
    of mental instability;

    ‘‘(2) before such retirement, was authorized by law to
    engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation,
    or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person for, any
    violation of law, and had statutory powers of arrest;

    ‘‘(3)(A) before such retirement, was regularly employed as
    a law enforcement officer for an aggregate of 15 years or more;
    or

    ‘‘(B) retired from service with such agency, after completing
    any applicable probationary period of such service, due to a
    service-connected disability, as determined by such agency;

    ‘‘(4) has a nonforfeitable right to benefits under the retirement
    plan of the agency;

    PUBLIC LAW 108–277—JULY 22, 2004 118 STAT. 867

    ‘‘(5) during the most recent 12-month period, has met,
    at the expense of the individual, the State’s standards for
    training and qualification for active law enforcement officers
    to carry firearms;

    ‘‘(6) is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating
    or hallucinatory drug or substance; and

    ‘‘(7) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a
    firearm.
    ‘‘(d) The identification required by this subsection is—

    ‘‘(1) a photographic identification issued by the agency from
    which the individual retired from service as a law enforcement
    officer that indicates that the individual has, not less recently
    than one year before the date the individual is carrying the
    concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the agency
    to meet the standards established by the agency for training
    and qualification for active law enforcement officers to carry
    a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or

    ‘‘(2)(A) a photographic identification issued by the agency
    from which the individual retired from service as a law enforcement
    officer; and

    ‘‘(B) a certification issued by the State in which the individual
    resides that indicates that the individual has, not less
    recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying
    the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the
    State to meet the standards established by the State for
    training and qualification for active law enforcement officers
    to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.
    ‘‘(e) As used in this section, the term ‘firearm’ does not include—

    ‘‘(1) any machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the
    National Firearms Act);
    ‘‘(2) any firearm silencer (as defined in section 921 of this
    title); and
    ‘‘(3) a destructive device (as defined in section 921 of this
    title).’’.

    (b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections for such
    chapter is further amended by inserting after the item relating
    to section 926B the following:
    ‘‘926C. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified retired law enforcement officers.’’.

    Approved July 22, 2004.

    LEGISLATIVE HISTORY—H.R. 218 (S. 253):

    HOUSE REPORTS: No. 108–560 (Comm. on the Judiciary).
    SENATE REPORTS: No. 108–29 accompanying S. 253 (Comm. on the Judiciary).
    CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 150 (2004):

    June 23, considered and passed House.
    July 7, considered and passed Senate.

    Æ

    § 506.1

    § 506.1 What is the purpose of individual
    inmate commissary accounts?

    The purpose of individual inmate
    commissary accounts is to allow the
    Bureau to maintain inmates’ monies
    while they are incarcerated. Family,
    friends, or other sources may deposit
    funds into these accounts.

    § 506.2 How may family, friends, or
    other sources deposit funds into an
    inmate commissary account?

    (a) Family and friends must mail deposits
    to the centralized inmate commissary
    account at the address we provide.
    (1) The deposit envelope must not
    contain any enclosures intended for delivery
    to the inmate. We may dispose
    of any enclosure.
    (2) The deposit must be in the form of
    a money order made out to the inmate’s
    full name and complete register
    number. We will return checks to the
    sender provided the check contains an
    adequate return address.
    (b) Other sources, (such as tax refunds,
    dividends from stocks, or state
    benefits) must be forwarded for deposit
    to the centralized inmate commissary
    account.
    PART 511—GENERAL
    MANAGEMENT POLICY

    Subpart A [Reserved]

    Subpart B—Searching and Detaining or
    Arresting Persons Other Than Inmates

    Sec.

    511.10 Purpose and scope.
    511.11 Definitions.
    511.12 Procedures for searching visitors.
    511.13 Controlled visiting—denying visits.
    511.14
    Right of refusal/termination of a
    visit.
    511.15 Detaining visitors.
    511.16 Use of arrest authority.
    AUTHORITY: 5 U.S.C. 301; 18 U.S.C. 751, 752,
    1791, 1792, 1793, 3050, 3621, 3622, 3624, 4001, 4012,
    4042, 4081, 4082 (Repealed as to offenses committed
    on or after November 1, 1987), 5006–
    5024 (Repealed October 12, 1984 as to offenses
    committed after that date), 5039; 28 U.S.C.
    509, 510; 28 CFR 0.95–0.99, 6.1.

    SOURCE: 49 FR 44057, Nov. 1, 1984, unless
    otherwise noted.

    28 CFR Ch. V (7–1–05 Edition)

    Subpart A [Reserved]

    Subpart B—Searching and Detaining
    or Arresting Persons Other
    Than Inmates

    § 511.10 Purpose and scope.

    (a) In an effort to prevent the introduction
    of contraband (such prohibited
    objects as defined in § 511.11(c)) into an
    institution, Bureau of Prisons staff
    may subject all persons entering an institution,
    or during their presence in
    an institution, to a search of their persons
    and effects.
    (b) Title 18, United States Code, section
    3050 authorizes Bureau of Prisons
    employees (does not include United
    States Public Health Service employees)—
    (1) To make an arrest on or off Bureau
    of Prisons premises without warrant
    for violation of the following provisions
    regardless of where the violation
    may occur: section 111 (assaulting
    officers), section 751 (escape), section
    752 (assisting escape) of title 18, United
    States Code, and section 1826(c) (escape)
    of title 28, United States Code;
    (2) To make an arrest on Bureau of
    Prisons premises or reservation land of
    a penal, detention, or correctional facility
    without warrant for violation occurring
    thereon of the following provisions:
    section 661 (theft), section 1361
    (depredation of property), section 1363
    (destruction of property), section 1791
    (contraband), section 1792 (mutiny and
    riot), and section 1793 (trespass) of title
    18, United States Code, and
    (3) To arrest without warrant for any
    other offense described in title 18 or 21
    of the United States Code, if committed
    on the premises or reservation
    of a penal or correctional facility of
    the Bureau of Prisons if necessary to
    safeguard security, good order, or government
    property. Bureau policy provides
    that such an arrest may be made
    when staff has probable cause to believe
    that a person has committed one
    of these offenses and when there is
    likelihood of the person escaping before
    a warrant can be obtained.
    [59 FR 5924, Feb. 8, 1994]

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    Bureau of Prisons, Justice

    § 511.11 Definitions.

    (a) Reasonable suspicion. As used in
    this rule, reasonable suspicion exists if
    the facts and circumstances that are
    known to the Warden warrant rational
    inferences by a person with correctional
    experience that a person is engaged,
    or attempting or about to engage,
    in criminal or other prohibited
    behavior. A reasonable suspicion may
    be based on reliable information, even
    if that information is confidential; on a
    positive reading of a metal detector; or
    when contraband or an indicia of contraband
    is found during search of a
    visitor’s personal effects.
    (b) Probable cause. As used in this
    rule, probable cause exists if the facts
    and circumstances that are known to
    the Warden would warrant a person of
    reasonable caution to believe that an
    offense has been committed.
    (c) Prohibited object. A firearm or destructive
    device; ammunition; a weapon
    or an object that is designed or intended
    to be used as a weapon or to facilitate
    escape from a prison; a narcotic
    drug, lysergic acid diethylamide,
    or phencyclidine; a controlled substance
    or alcoholic beverage; any
    United States or foreign currency; and
    any other object that threatens the
    order, discipline, or security of a prison,
    or the life, health, or safety of an
    individual.
    [59 FR 5924, Feb. 8, 1994]

    § 511.12 Procedures for searching visitors.

    (a) The Warden shall post a notice
    outside the institution’s secure perimeter
    advising all persons that it is a
    Federal crime to bring upon the institution
    grounds any weapons, intoxicants,
    drugs, or other contraband, and
    that all persons, property (including
    vehicles), and packages are subject to
    search. A person may not use either a
    camera or recording equipment on institution
    grounds without the written
    consent of the Warden.
    (b) The Warden may require visitors
    entering the institution from outside
    the secure perimeter to submit to a
    search:
    (1) By electronic means (for example,
    walk-through and/or hand-held metal
    detector).
    § 511.13

    (2) Of personal effects. The institution
    ordinarily provides locker space
    for personal effects not taken into the
    visiting room.
    (c) The Warden may authorize a pat
    search of a visitor as a prerequisite to
    a visit when there is reasonable suspicion
    that the visitor possesses contraband,
    or is introducing or attempting
    to introduce contraband into the
    institution.
    (d) The Warden may authorize a visual
    search (visual inspection of all
    body surfaces and cavities) of a visitor
    as a prerequisite to a visit to an inmate
    in a low and above security level
    institution, or administrative institution,
    or in a pretrial or in a jail (detention)
    unit within any security level institution
    when there is reasonable suspicion
    that the visitor possesses contraband
    or is introducing or attempting
    to introduce contraband into the
    institution.
    (e) The Warden may authorize a
    breathalyzer or urine surveillance test
    or other comparable test of a visitor as
    a prerequisite to a visit to an inmate
    when there is reasonable suspicion that
    the visitor is under the influence of a
    narcotic, drug, or intoxicant. As stated
    in § 511.14, the visitor may refuse to
    take the test, but the visit will not be
    allowed.
    (f) A pat search, visual search, or
    urine surveillance test is to be conducted
    by a person of the same sex as
    the visitor. A pat search, visual search,
    urine surveillance, or breathalyzer test
    shall be conducted out of the view of
    other visitors and inmates.
    [49 FR 44057, Nov. 1, 1984, as amended at 51
    FR 26126, July 18, 1986; 56 FR 4159, Feb. 1,
    1991; 59 FR 5925, Feb. 8, 1994; 63 FR 11818, Mar.
    10, 1998]

    § 511.13 Controlled visiting—denying
    visits.

    (a) The Warden may restrict visiting
    to controlled situations or to more
    closely supervised visits when there is
    any suspicion that the visitor is introducing
    or attempting to introduce contraband,
    or when there has been a prior
    incident of such introduction or attempted
    introduction, or when there is
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    § 511.14

    any concern, based upon sound correctional
    judgment, about the visitor presenting
    a risk to the orderly running of
    the visiting room or area.

    (b) The Warden may deny visiting
    privileges when a controlled or closely
    supervised visit is not possible.
    (c) Staff shall deny admission to the
    institution to a visitor who refuses to
    be screened by a metal detector or who
    refuses to undergo a search of person
    and/or effects as dictated by these
    rules.
    § 511.14 Right of refusal/termination of
    a visit.

    (a) A visitor who objects to any of
    the search or test or entrance procedures
    has the option of refusing and
    leaving the institution property, unless
    there is reason to detain and/or arrest.
    (b) Staff may terminate a visit upon
    determining that a visitor is in possession
    of, or is passing or attempting to
    pass contraband not previously detected
    during the search process, or is
    engaged in any conduct or behavior
    which poses a threat to the orderly or
    secure running of the institution, or to
    the safety of any person in the institution.
    The staff member terminating the
    visit is to prepare written documentation
    describing the basis for this action.
    § 511.15 Detaining visitors.

    (a) Staff may detain a visitor or any
    person who is found to be introducing
    or attempting to introduce such contraband
    as narcotics, intoxicants, lethal
    or poisonous chemicals or gases,
    guns, knives, or other weapons, or who
    is engaged in any other conduct which
    is a violation of law (including, but not
    limited to, actions which assist escape,
    such as possession of escape paraphernalia,
    or which induce riots), pending
    notification and arrival of appropriate
    law enforcement officials. The
    standard for such detention is a finding,
    based on probable cause, that the
    person has engaged in such a violation.
    Institution staff should not interrogate
    suspects unless immediate questioning
    is necessary to protect the security of
    the institution or the life or safety of
    any person.
    (b) Staff shall employ only the minimum
    amount of force necessary to de28
    CFR Ch. V (7–1–05 Edition)

    tain the individual. Visitors will be detained
    in an area away from the sight
    of, and where there can be no contact
    with, other visitors and inmates.

    § 511.16 Use of arrest authority.

    To effect an arrest under any of the
    cited sections in § 511.10(b) of this part,
    or under any future arrest authorization
    statute that may be approved by
    the Congress of the United States, staff
    shall have probable cause that the suspected
    individual is violating the law.
    Whenever possible, the Warden or designee
    shall make the determination as
    to whether an arrest should occur.

    PART 512—RESEARCH

    Subpart A [Reserved]

    Subpart B—Research

    Sec.

    512.10 Purpose and scope.
    512.11
    Requirements for research projects
    and researchers.
    512.12 Content of research proposal.
    512.13 Institutional Review Board.
    512.14
    Submission and processing of proposal.
    512.15 Access to Bureau of Prisons records.
    512.16 Informed consent.
    512.17
    Monitoring approved research
    projects.
    512.18 Termination or suspension.
    512.19 Reports.
    512.20
    Publication of results of research
    project.
    512.21 Copyright provisions.
    AUTHORITY: 5 U.S.C. 301; 18 U.S.C. 3621, 3622,
    3624, 4001, 4042, 4081, 4082 (Repealed in part as
    to offenses committed on or after November
    1, 1987), 5006–5024 (Repealed October 12, 1984
    as to offenses committed after that date),
    5039; 28 U.S.C. 509, 510; 28 CFR 0.95–0.99.

    Subpart A [Reserved]

    Subpart B—Research

    SOURCE: 59 FR 13860, Mar. 23, 1994, unless
    otherwise noted.

    § 512.10 Purpose and scope.

    General provisions for the protection
    of human subjects during the conduct
    of research are contained in 28 CFR
    part 46. The provisions of this subpart
    B specify additional requirements for

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    DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
    POLICY STATEMENT ON THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE

    (Approved July 1, 2004)

    GENERAL PRINCIPLES

    I.
    Law enforcement officers and correctional officers of the
    Department of Justice may use deadly force only when
    necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief
    that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of
    death or serious physical injury to the officer or to
    another person.
    A.
    Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the
    escape of a fleeing suspect.
    B.
    Firearms may not be fired solely to disable moving
    vehicles.
    C.
    If feasible and if to do so would not increase the
    danger to the officer or others, a verbal warning to
    submit to the authority of the officer shall be given
    prior to the use of deadly force.
    D.
    Warning shots are not permitted outside of the prison
    context.
    E.
    Officers will be trained in alternative methods and
    tactics for handling resisting subjects which must be
    used when the use of deadly force is not authorized by
    this policy.
    CUSTODIAL SITUATIONS

    II.
    Unless force other than deadly force appears to be
    sufficient, deadly force may be used to prevent the escape
    of a prisoner committed to the custody of the Attorney
    General or the Bureau of Prisons
    A.
    if the prisoner is effecting his or her escape in a
    manner that poses an imminent danger to the safety of
    the officer or another person; or
    B.
    if the prisoner is escaping from a secure facility or
    is escaping while in transit to or from a secure
    facility.
    III. If the subject is in a non-secure facility, deadly force may
    be used only when the subject poses an imminent danger of
    death or serious physical injury to the officer or another
    person.

    IV.
    If the subject is in transit to or from a non-secure
    facility and is not accompanied by a person who is in
    transit to or from a secure facility, deadly force may be
    used only when the subject poses an imminent danger of death
    or serious physical injury to the officer or to another
    person.
    V.
    After an escape from a facility or vehicle and its immediate
    environs has been effected, officers attempting to apprehend
    the escaped prisoner may use deadly force only when the
    escaped prisoner poses an imminent danger of death or
    serious physical injury to the officer or another person.
    VI.
    Deadly force may be used to maintain or restore control of a
    prison or correctional facility when the officer reasonably
    believes that the intended subject of the deadly force is
    participating in a disturbance in a manner that threatens
    the safety of the officer or another person.
    VII. In the prison context, warning shots may be fired within or
    in the immediate environs of a secure facility if there is
    no apparent danger to innocent persons: (A) If reasonably
    necessary to deter or prevent the subject from escaping from
    a secure facility; or (B) if reasonably necessary to deter
    or prevent the subject’s use of deadly force or force likely
    to cause serious physical injury.
    APPLICATION OF THE POLICY

    VIII. This Policy is not intended to, and does not, create any
    right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at
    law or in equity, against the United States, its
    departments, agencies, or other entities, its officers or
    employees, or any other person.
     

    Blaster229

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    A LEOSA card does not vest someone with law enforcement authority. Don't confuse the two.
    BOP guards do not have the same powers of arrest or federal authority like sworn Agents and officers. If they did, they would not need a LEOSA card and be recognized as such.
    They would also be issued a weapon used as part of their position.
    Does a guard for Md DOC have the same authority as a state trooper or any other officer in the state?
    No, but they can get a carry permit. Use that analogy.

    I'll say it again. Active, sworn federal agents and police do not need a LEOSA card in order to be recognized to carry, on or off duty.
    If BOP guards were sworn personnel, they would not need a card to carry. This card also is not needed for 1811 series criminal investigators in the BOP, because they are sworn agents.

    I'm not disputing that can't qualify for LEOSA. Because they have a powerful union who cried hard enough to get them included.
     

    redeemed.man

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    A LEOSA card does not vest someone with law enforcement authority. Don't confuse the two.
    BOP guards do not have the same powers of arrest or federal authority like sworn Agents and officers. If they did, they would not need a LEOSA card and be recognized as such.
    They would also be issued a weapon used as part of their position.
    Does a guard for Md DOC have the same authority as a state trooper or any other officer in the state?
    No, but they can get a carry permit. Use that analogy.

    I'll say it again. Active, sworn federal agents and police do not need a LEOSA card in order to be recognized to carry, on or off duty.
    If BOP guards were sworn personnel, they would not need a card to carry. This card also is not needed for 1811 series criminal investigators in the BOP, because they are sworn agents.

    I'm not disputing that can't qualify for LEOSA. Because they have a powerful union who cried hard enough to get them included.
    They have arrest authority and not just for escaped inmates. It is all shown in what I posted above. I am pretty sure you haven't read it. There are many federal and/or national "police"agencies with very limited arrest authority. MD DOC is not a good example because most Corrections Officers in Maryland are not sworn and armed (at times) although there are some. If they are sworn and armed they are covered by LEOSA. MD DOC has home detention officers and investigators that attend the "police" academy and qualify for LEOSA. All others must get a MD handgun permit. NJ Corrections Officers are sworn and armed "at times" they qualify for LEOSA. No one is arguing whether this turns them into police or not, I am not sure where you got that from. It simply exempts them from needing a carry permit. At the Federal BOP most staff are sworn and have as much "on property" arrest authority as the Government Printing Office Police or US Postal Police and surely you are not arguing the don't qualify for LEOSA. Like it or not most federal agencies have in some way limited arrest authority compared to a state or local counterpart when in a particular jurisdiction. Earlier you said something like the BOP his are more like MP's our something to that effect. News flash MP's and even USCG CWO's are LEOSA qualified with USMCJ "detention authority". In PA part time constables who are independent contractors are LEOSA qualified. Lots of court rulings on this stuff.

    It is okay to be wrong brother. It happens to all of us.
     

    Blaster229

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    They have arrest authority and not just for escaped inmates. It is all shown in what I posted above. I am pretty sure you haven't read it. There are many federal and/or national "police"agencies with very limited arrest authority. MD DOC is not a good example because most Corrections Officers in Maryland are not sworn and armed (at times) although there are some. If they are sworn and armed they are covered by LEOSA. MD DOC has home detention officers and investigators that attend the "police" academy and qualify for LEOSA. All others must get a MD handgun permit. NJ Corrections Officers are sworn and armed "at times" they qualify for LEOSA. No one is arguing whether this turns them into police or not, I am not sure where you got that from. It simply exempts them from needing a carry permit. At the Federal BOP most staff are sworn and have as much "on property" arrest authority as the Government Printing Office Police or US Postal Police and surely you are not arguing the don't qualify for LEOSA. Like it or not most federal agencies have in some way limited arrest authority compared to a state or local counterpart when in a particular jurisdiction. Earlier you said something like the BOP his are more like MP's our something to that effect. News flash MP's and even USCG CWO's are LEOSA qualified with USMCJ "detention authority". In PA part time constables who are independent contractors are LEOSA qualified. Lots of court rulings on this stuff.

    It is okay to be wrong brother. It happens to all of us.

    You're spewing LEOSA quals at me, I know who "qualifies". All who qualify are not all typical LEO's.
    I am not saying they don't qualify for LEOSA. Like I said, they had to whine and cry through their union to be included in LEOSA. BOP guards do not go to mix basic police training in order to become duly sworn Federal LEO's. They go to a corrections training class.
    Do BOP guards have issued weapons that they carry on duty and off in order to perform their job? They are not true LEO's. See if the Lautenberg amendment determines whether they get or keep a position.

    Saying that a BOP guard is a duly sworn federal law enforcement officer is like saying that "special police" are just like sworn county and city officers. Sure they have their tiny piece of the pie and I have not disputed that either. But let's see if a BOP guard carrying a gun can make it into certain places where Federal Law Enforcement officers can go.

    Sorry bro, BOP guards are not gun carrying Federal Law Enforcement Officers.
     

    redeemed.man

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    Apr 29, 2013
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    HoCo
    You're spewing LEOSA quals at me, I know who "qualifies". All who qualify are not all typical LEO's.
    I am not saying they don't qualify for LEOSA. Like I said, they had to whine and cry through their union to be included in LEOSA. BOP guards do not go to mix basic police training in order to become duly sworn Federal LEO's. They go to a corrections training class.
    Do BOP guards have issued weapons that they carry on duty and off in order to perform their job? They are not true LEO's. See if the Lautenberg amendment determines whether they get or keep a position.

    Saying that a BOP guard is a duly sworn federal law enforcement officer is like saying that "special police" are just like sworn county and city officers. Sure they have their tiny piece of the pie and I have not disputed that either. But let's see if a BOP guard carrying a gun can make it into certain places where Federal Law Enforcement officers can go.

    Sorry bro, BOP guards are not gun carrying Federal Law Enforcement Officers.
    You have said repeatedly they don't qualify for LEOSA, now it's "I am not saying they don't qualify for LEOSA"? Which is it? I never said they were police and I could care less as I never worked for BOP. Sorry everyone that qualifies is not an "operator" like you. These guys do qualify which seems to bother you since they are just "guards". The union didn't get thrown a bone. They met the qualifications in the statue already and the union fought for the agency to recognize that. The law already recognized they met LEOSA, the agency did not want to accept it likely for liability reasons. Lots of small limited jurisdiction police departments qualify but you are bitching about these BOP guys and calling them "guards". I can't say that I understand that. I have witnessed countless times a young cop walk into the jail with his first arrestee and literally turn ghost white when told he had to check his gun. Guys that work around convicts all day everyday get nothing but respect from me. Imagine being a police officer unarmed in an indoor city with nothing but killers, rapists, & robbers around you all day outnumbering you sometimes 100 to 1. Many of these criminals are armed and high it drunk while in the facility. All are prone to aggression and violence as a matter of survival. The initial investigators on crimes committed in correctional facilities are Corrections Officers or as you refer to them "guards". I have seen fellow officers stabbed in the head 16 times in a single incident. I have investigated male on male rapes in conjunction with the county police. I have seen broom handles broken in half and shoved through one side of someone's face and out the other. These guys see more action than most police officers and federal agents ever will. Yet with all that they are called "guards". We can just agree to disagree on this one brother. The BOP guys can carry on LEOSA that is a fact whether you dispute it or not. Federal law recognizes them as sworn law enforcement officers whether you do or not. It is without a doubt that these guys have more violent physical altercations than any police officer. Classroom training scenario altercations aren't real. I appreciate what the OP does every day for a living just as much as I appreciate what you do.
     

    Schipperke

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    G. Gordon Liddy goes over in quite detail his analysis of Prison Guards in his biography Will. Quite interesting.
     

    Blaster229

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    I never said they don't qualify. My very first post I stated that many think they do qualify for LEOSA when they don't. I then asked what does he do and that's when you chimed in started speaking for him.
    I do find it quite amusing that someone who never qualified for LEOSA nor has been in the federal system is such an expert on the matter.
    Now you have nowhere to go with this calling me an operator. That's fine. But, I'm a 14 year federal law enforcement officer who has dealt with many agencies and many many federal leos. I do know the difference.
     

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