The Attorney General of the US has said otherwise, and in writing.
Had said what?
The Attorney General of the US has said otherwise, and in writing.
You are wrong my friend. Fed BOP qualifies.No. Law enforcement officers have their credentials. Prison guys are not leos. He would need a LEOSA id to carry.
I guarantee he would not make it on a plane traveling as a federal agent/leo flying armed.
That Federal BOP Corrections is law enforcement and qualifies for LEOSA.Had said what?
The power of arrest qualifies them. Plenty of state and county corrections officers qualify as well. NY and NJ corrections are sworn and qualify.He issued a paper saying that because guards may arrest (in limited situations) during the course of their duty regarding prisoners. Their "power of arrest" that includes them under LEOSA qualification.
That Federal BOP Corrections is law enforcement and qualifies for LEOSA.
Sorry brother but you are still wrong. I emailed you the BOP LEOSA info, too much to fit in a post. They use the standard BOP ID.Dude. Listen to me. His agency will not issue him a leosa card (in order to carry) while he is employed as a guard. He is not recognized as a federal law enforcement officer with powers of arrest under federal USC. (For none other than their limited arrest over prisoners)
The attorney General threw BOP a bone for retirees in order to get LEOSA.
Sorry brother but you are still wrong. I emailed you the BOP LEOSA info, too much to fit in a post. They use the standard BOP ID.
Check your email.
Ok. You still don't understand the difference. LEOSA, when it comes to the BOP, is for retirees.
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It's pointless arguing. You are wrong. It is not just for retirees. I sent you the guidance for BOP.Ok. You still don't understand the difference. LEOSA, when it comes to the BOP, is for retirees.
They do not go to FLETC mixed police basic to become federal leos. They will not get a LEOSA card while they are active, enabling them to carry nationwide. Retire or separate under LEOSA requirements, then they qualify.
Ignorance on local or state leos nationwide where a BOP guard gets by carrying u gun on his credentials, is a lucky day for him.
If 5 federal guys try to board a plane and 1 is secret service, 1 is atf, 1 is fbi, 1 is dea and 1 is a BOP guard, guess who is not getting on the plane?
I know you take up the plight for the corrections guys, but you're wrong thinking they are working federal leos, as federal police.
They fit more into the "military" category when considered. Much like mps and such.
Let's see what his creds say as far as making arrests and carrying weapons. Pretty sure the vernacular resembles nothing like federal agents/police creds.
Ok. You still don't understand the difference. LEOSA, when it comes to the BOP, is for retirees.
They do not go to FLETC mixed police basic to become federal leos. They will not get a LEOSA card while they are active, enabling them to carry nationwide. Retire or separate under LEOSA requirements, then they qualify.
Ignorance on local or state leos nationwide where a BOP guard gets by carrying u gun on his credentials, is a lucky day for him.
If 5 federal guys try to board a plane and 1 is secret service, 1 is atf, 1 is fbi, 1 is dea and 1 is a BOP guard, guess who is not getting on the plane?
I know you take up the plight for the corrections guys, but you're wrong thinking they are working federal leos, as federal police.
They fit more into the "military" category when considered. Much like mps and such.
Let's see what his creds say as far as making arrests and carrying weapons. Pretty sure the vernacular resembles nothing like federal agents/police creds.
They have arrest authority and not just for escaped inmates. It is all shown in what I posted above. I am pretty sure you haven't read it. There are many federal and/or national "police"agencies with very limited arrest authority. MD DOC is not a good example because most Corrections Officers in Maryland are not sworn and armed (at times) although there are some. If they are sworn and armed they are covered by LEOSA. MD DOC has home detention officers and investigators that attend the "police" academy and qualify for LEOSA. All others must get a MD handgun permit. NJ Corrections Officers are sworn and armed "at times" they qualify for LEOSA. No one is arguing whether this turns them into police or not, I am not sure where you got that from. It simply exempts them from needing a carry permit. At the Federal BOP most staff are sworn and have as much "on property" arrest authority as the Government Printing Office Police or US Postal Police and surely you are not arguing the don't qualify for LEOSA. Like it or not most federal agencies have in some way limited arrest authority compared to a state or local counterpart when in a particular jurisdiction. Earlier you said something like the BOP his are more like MP's our something to that effect. News flash MP's and even USCG CWO's are LEOSA qualified with USMCJ "detention authority". In PA part time constables who are independent contractors are LEOSA qualified. Lots of court rulings on this stuff.A LEOSA card does not vest someone with law enforcement authority. Don't confuse the two.
BOP guards do not have the same powers of arrest or federal authority like sworn Agents and officers. If they did, they would not need a LEOSA card and be recognized as such.
They would also be issued a weapon used as part of their position.
Does a guard for Md DOC have the same authority as a state trooper or any other officer in the state?
No, but they can get a carry permit. Use that analogy.
I'll say it again. Active, sworn federal agents and police do not need a LEOSA card in order to be recognized to carry, on or off duty.
If BOP guards were sworn personnel, they would not need a card to carry. This card also is not needed for 1811 series criminal investigators in the BOP, because they are sworn agents.
I'm not disputing that can't qualify for LEOSA. Because they have a powerful union who cried hard enough to get them included.
They have arrest authority and not just for escaped inmates. It is all shown in what I posted above. I am pretty sure you haven't read it. There are many federal and/or national "police"agencies with very limited arrest authority. MD DOC is not a good example because most Corrections Officers in Maryland are not sworn and armed (at times) although there are some. If they are sworn and armed they are covered by LEOSA. MD DOC has home detention officers and investigators that attend the "police" academy and qualify for LEOSA. All others must get a MD handgun permit. NJ Corrections Officers are sworn and armed "at times" they qualify for LEOSA. No one is arguing whether this turns them into police or not, I am not sure where you got that from. It simply exempts them from needing a carry permit. At the Federal BOP most staff are sworn and have as much "on property" arrest authority as the Government Printing Office Police or US Postal Police and surely you are not arguing the don't qualify for LEOSA. Like it or not most federal agencies have in some way limited arrest authority compared to a state or local counterpart when in a particular jurisdiction. Earlier you said something like the BOP his are more like MP's our something to that effect. News flash MP's and even USCG CWO's are LEOSA qualified with USMCJ "detention authority". In PA part time constables who are independent contractors are LEOSA qualified. Lots of court rulings on this stuff.
It is okay to be wrong brother. It happens to all of us.
You have said repeatedly they don't qualify for LEOSA, now it's "I am not saying they don't qualify for LEOSA"? Which is it? I never said they were police and I could care less as I never worked for BOP. Sorry everyone that qualifies is not an "operator" like you. These guys do qualify which seems to bother you since they are just "guards". The union didn't get thrown a bone. They met the qualifications in the statue already and the union fought for the agency to recognize that. The law already recognized they met LEOSA, the agency did not want to accept it likely for liability reasons. Lots of small limited jurisdiction police departments qualify but you are bitching about these BOP guys and calling them "guards". I can't say that I understand that. I have witnessed countless times a young cop walk into the jail with his first arrestee and literally turn ghost white when told he had to check his gun. Guys that work around convicts all day everyday get nothing but respect from me. Imagine being a police officer unarmed in an indoor city with nothing but killers, rapists, & robbers around you all day outnumbering you sometimes 100 to 1. Many of these criminals are armed and high it drunk while in the facility. All are prone to aggression and violence as a matter of survival. The initial investigators on crimes committed in correctional facilities are Corrections Officers or as you refer to them "guards". I have seen fellow officers stabbed in the head 16 times in a single incident. I have investigated male on male rapes in conjunction with the county police. I have seen broom handles broken in half and shoved through one side of someone's face and out the other. These guys see more action than most police officers and federal agents ever will. Yet with all that they are called "guards". We can just agree to disagree on this one brother. The BOP guys can carry on LEOSA that is a fact whether you dispute it or not. Federal law recognizes them as sworn law enforcement officers whether you do or not. It is without a doubt that these guys have more violent physical altercations than any police officer. Classroom training scenario altercations aren't real. I appreciate what the OP does every day for a living just as much as I appreciate what you do.You're spewing LEOSA quals at me, I know who "qualifies". All who qualify are not all typical LEO's.
I am not saying they don't qualify for LEOSA. Like I said, they had to whine and cry through their union to be included in LEOSA. BOP guards do not go to mix basic police training in order to become duly sworn Federal LEO's. They go to a corrections training class.
Do BOP guards have issued weapons that they carry on duty and off in order to perform their job? They are not true LEO's. See if the Lautenberg amendment determines whether they get or keep a position.
Saying that a BOP guard is a duly sworn federal law enforcement officer is like saying that "special police" are just like sworn county and city officers. Sure they have their tiny piece of the pie and I have not disputed that either. But let's see if a BOP guard carrying a gun can make it into certain places where Federal Law Enforcement officers can go.
Sorry bro, BOP guards are not gun carrying Federal Law Enforcement Officers.