PSLs & Dragunovs

[GunAddict]

I know that difference between the two is very similar and comes more down to where they were manufactured as to the main difference. My question is if a PSL is considered a regulated firearm due to it's a similarities to a Dragunov?

 

[midcountyg]

I know that difference between the two is very similar and comes more down to where they were manufactured as to the main difference. My question is if a PSL is considered a regulated firearm due to it's a similarities to a Dragunov?

MSP does consider them one in the same. I disagree with them, as it is a larger rifle then a mini14, is only available with a 10 round mag, has no bayo lug, no threaded barrel(muzzle break is welded on), no seperate pistol grip, no folding stock.... It only looks like a menacing rifle I guess. Do understand there is a major difference in Dragonuvs and PSLs. The receivers are milled on real Dragunovs and stamped on PSLs. The dragunovs are better built, but no longer imported so very pricey. I have a PSL of my own, and it's a blast to shoot.

 

[GunAddict]

The dragunovs are better built, but no longer imported so very pricey. I have a PSL of my own, and it's a blast to shoot.

I would love to own a real Dragunov vs. a PSL despite the pricyness of it. But I hate owning any regulated rifles as someone somewhere has a record of it. Found a good deal on a PSL hence the reason for this thread.

 

[hole punch]

...My question is if a PSL is considered a regulated firearm due to it's a similarities to a Dragunov?

No, a PSL (also called a Romak-3, Romanian Dragunov, or FPK) is not an SDV. Although it performs the same duty (designated marksmen rifle) extending the range of an infantry squad, it is actually based on an RPK, a form of Kalashnikov. The PSL is regulated in MD because it's an AK which is specifically listed several times on the MSP Assault Weapons list.

 

[hole punch]

they're pretty easy to tell apart once you know what to look for. after you've fondled a few PSLs you start to see their AK-iness.

AIM has em for $700 and i think it's a great deal. I love mine. Check out what Clandestine did to his if you get a chance. (WARNING: strong sexual content! hot russian porn! MIGHT NOT BE SAFE FOR WORK)
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=24625&highlight=PSL

Here's a quick comparison chart. Note the handguards, buttstocks, and receiver covers. Ignore that funky mag on teh SVD, i think that's a .308 or something (unusual looking)

 

[fivepointstar]

Great side by side comparison. so basically the Dragunov is designed after Simonov and the PSL after the Kalashnakov. Are both the SVT and Dragunov C&R while the AK and PSL are not? Also do you know if Kalashnakov based his design after the Simonov or vice versa. Watching a show onthe Military Channel I thought Kalashnakov designed his AK after the Strumgewehr



thanks for the Russian Weapons 101 Lesson

edit: never mind....googled Simonov and he preceeded the AK

 

[hole punch]

Great side by side comparison. so basically the Dragunov is designed after Simonov and the PSL after the Kalashnakov. Are both the SVT and Dragunov C&R while the AK and PSL are not? Also do you know if Kalashnakov based his design after the Simonov or vice versa. Watching a show onthe Military Channel I thought Kalashnakov designed his AK after the Strumgewehr



thanks for the Russian Weapons 101 Lesson

i wasn't aware the SVD was based on any Simonov design. i have never heard that. i can't find anything online except some sites claiming it's an original design.

SVT's are C&R based on age alone, while (i think) only Russian SVD's (not Tigrs or Chinese NDM's) are C&R. someone correct me if i'm wrong.

as for the originality of the kalashnikov? i think historians and gun guys will argue that one for eternity. the StG-44 was certainly the first weapon to combine the features we now call assault rifles, they debate how much kalashinov really stole from it. i've heard both sides and i really don't have an opinion.

i would love to get ahold of a sturmgewehr and tear one apart to see how it ticks!

 

[fivepointstar]

i wasn't aware the SVD was based on any Simonov design. i have never heard that. i can't find anything online except some sites claiming it's an original design.

SVT's are C&R based on age alone, while (i think) only Russian SVD's (not Tigrs or Chinese NDM's) are C&R. someone correct me if i'm wrong.

OK...my bad, looks like he was a student with Tokarev. I'm starting to see the similarities with the SVT-40 and the SKS.

Sergei Gavrilovich Simonov (1894 - 1986) was a Soviet weapons designer; he is one of the fathers of the modern assault rifle.

Mostly known for the Samozaryadnyi Karabin sistemi Simonova (Russian: Самозарядный карабин системы Симонова), 1945 (Self-loading Carbine, Simonov's system, 1945), or SKS carbine, he also pioneered the assault and semi-automatic rifle field in the 1920s and 1930s, mostly under the supervision of both Vladimir Fedorov and Fedor Tokarev. His early work preceded both the M1 Garand (of 1933), and the later M1 Carbine, AK-47, and M16 series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Gavrilovich_Simonov

here's a good site: http://www.dragunov.net/

 

[hole punch]

OK...my bad, looks like he was a student with Tokarev. I'm starting to see the similarities with the SVT-40 and the SKS.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Gavrilovich_Simonov

here's a good site: http://www.dragunov.net/

thanks for the links!

are you in the market for something fivepoint? the 762x54R is such a kickass round

 

[fivepointstar]

thanks for the links!

are you in the market for something fivepoint? the 762x54R is such a kickass round

always in the market...the x54r is an excellent round and one of my favorites. I've owned several MN's and would like to have a SVT-40 and PSL

 

[hole punch]

...I've owned several MN's and having a SVT-40 and PSL

you have? pics plz??

 

[fivepointstar]

you have? pics plz??

SO SORRY....I didn't proof read. I have MN's and I would like to eventually have the SVT-40 and PSL which are on the wishlist. Just an excellent round

 

[hole punch]

I would like an SVT-40 myself and pretty much ANTHING to do with the Second World War.

Maybe I can make it to one of teh shoots sometime and I'll let you shoot the PSL. She's a hoot, for sure! Sunday's not looking good for me as I might be out of town all morning it looks like.

Get yourself a PSL, nothing quite like it in the world! It's like somebody took an AK and streeetched it out real long, lol!

 

[armedsks]

Svt's are nice weapons. If you find one make sure to inspect the bore and gas system. many of the bores have pitting from years of poor cleaning. Also you abour 8-10 to late, they were under 200$ when they first came in to country.

Make sure not to break any parts on the rifle. You will have better luck finding elvis or Tupac.