Project Fast and Furious Thread

[Les Gawlik]

Attkisson won't let this die ... much to the chagrin of Holder and ATF.

... and we thank her for that! It's nice to see that at least one member of the Monica Media isn't on an eight year siesta!

 

[EL1227]

Thread revival ...

From the 'it ain't over till the fat lady sings AG swings' file ...

Politico.com -
Fresh DOJ loss in ‘Fast and Furious’ docs fight

In a ruling Monday night, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson turned down the Justice Department’s request to dismiss a lawsuit brought by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee after President Barack Obama asserted executive privilege to prevent some records about the administration’s response to the “Operation Fast and Furious” gunrunning scandal from being turned over to Congress.

“This case presents the sort of question that the courts are traditionally called upon to resolve,” Jackson said in her 44-page decision, issued more than five months after lawyers argued the issue in her packed courtroom and more than a year after the House committee filed suit. “Dismissing the case without hearing it would in effect place the court’s finger on the scale, designating the executive as the victor based solely on his untested assertion that the privilege applies,” she wrote.

Jackson hasn’t ruled yet on whether Obama had authority to assert executive privilege over records never provided to the president or his advisers, but she concluded in her ruling Monday that the issue is an appropriate one for the courts to resolve.

“The Court cautions that this opinion should not be taken as any indication of its views on the merits of the dispute, which have yet to be briefed, argued, or considered in any way,” she wrote.

Is Holder goin' down ... well, time will tell ... but just like many other scandals from this administration, they're playing F&F as a ground game and will try to run out the clock.

 

[EL1227]

F&F Shutdown Smackdown ...

Twitchy.com -
‘Priceless!’ Katie Pavlich scores with smack-tastic shutdown question, poignant perspective

 

[Hopalong]

First and Second Amendment Freedoms mix in F&F

Interesting article over on Fox. Apparently John Dodson, the ATF agent who blew the whistle on Fast and Furious, is trying to publish a tell all book that the government is blocking.

The ACLU is taking up his case as an infringement of his First Amendment rights.

Where's the popcorn?

 

[EL1227]

Interesting article over on Fox. Apparently John Dodson, the ATF agent who blew the whistle on Fast and Furious, is trying to publish a tell all book that the government is blocking.

The ACLU is taking up his case as an infringement of his First Amendment rights.

Where's the popcorn?

WashingtonTimes.com picked it up too.
ATF tries to block whistleblowing agent’s Fast and Furious book
1st Amendment battle over ‘gun-walking’ expose

 

[INMY01TA]

Interesting article over on Fox. Apparently John Dodson, the ATF agent who blew the whistle on Fast and Furious, is trying to publish a tell all book that the government is blocking.

The ACLU is taking up his case as an infringement of his First Amendment rights.

Where's the popcorn?

Heard this on the radio this morning. Interesting indeed. Too bad the media will never talk about it.

 

[Bob A]

With the ACLU involved, the media will be schizoid over the situation. How can they support the subject? How can they not support the ACLU?

Sweet.

 

[pilotguy299]

WashingtonTimes.com picked it up too.
ATF tries to block whistleblowing agent’s Fast and Furious book
1st Amendment battle over ‘gun-walking’ expose

He filed a request for outside employment/activity, which they have the right to deny.

If he left atf, they probably would not be able to stop him.

 

[kralizec]

Just saw this about the 09/30 ruling on Forbes..... http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...d-furious-justice-finally-befall-eric-holder/

 

[Bikebreath]

Just saw this about the 09/30 ruling on Forbes..... http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...d-furious-justice-finally-befall-eric-holder/

Great article! Burn Holder, burn!

 

[Brooklyn]

He filed a request for outside employment/activity, which they have the right to deny.

If he left atf, they probably would not be able to stop him.

No they need a reason. A good reason..' Good of the service' is going to be tough. Then there is the idea that he could just hand the manuscript over to the journalist that broke the story--- or have it show up in the Issa's in box.

It going to become public-- this move is stupid as it guarantees more publicity..

Sometime I think we don't appreciate the little ways the opposition helps us.

 

[Hopalong]

No they need a reason. A good reason..' Good of the service' is going to be tough. Then there is the idea that he could just hand the manuscript over to the journalist that broke the story--- or have it show up in the Issa's in box.

It going to become public-- this move is stupid as it guarantees more publicity..

Sometime I think we don't appreciate the little ways the opposition helps us.

They aren't blocking the book because of its content (i.e. censoring it), they're barring Dodson from seeking outside employment, in this case selling his book to a publisher. Much harder to prove First Amendment violations there, but still possible I think.

(Side note: if he released it for free, meaning he's not making any money and therefore not technically employed by anyone, would that invalidate ATF's position? Maybe.)

You're totally spot on about ATF helping our cause with publicity though. You'd think people in government would know about The Streisand Effect by now.

 

[Benanov]

He filed a request for outside employment/activity, which they have the right to deny.

If he left atf, they probably would not be able to stop him.

Honest question -

If he releases the book for free under a Creative Commons license (I would think CC-BY-ND would be appropriate here) would he still have to ask for government approval?

They aren't blocking the book because of its content (i.e. censoring it), they're barring Dodson from seeking outside employment, in this case selling his book to a publisher. Much harder to prove First Amendment violations there, but still possible I think.

(Side note: if he released it for free, meaning he's not making any money and therefore not technically employed by anyone, would that invalidate ATF's position? Maybe.)

You're totally spot on about ATF helping our cause with publicity though. You'd think people in government would know about The Streisand Effect by now.

Hahah thinking the same thing.

The book would be $0 and freely sharable. If he wanted the information to come out there's a lot of better ways to do it than asking.

If he wants money to support mounting legal bills...well carry on then.

 

[BMW]

No they need a reason. A good reason..' Good of the service' is going to be tough. Then there is the idea that he could just hand the manuscript over to the journalist that broke the story--- or have it show up in the Issa's in box.

It going to become public-- this move is stupid as it guarantees more publicity..

Sometime I think we don't appreciate the little ways the opposition helps us.

Nah, all they need is "The appearance of conflict of interest" as a reason.

 

[EL1227]

More things that go boom ...

Holder's DOJ Attorneys, Not ATF Agents, Let Grenades Go to Mexican Drug Cartels

Of course grenades, unlike evil black rfles, are illegal ... assembled.

"At no point did ATF ever knowingly let this guy walk grenades. He never had live grenades while he was under surveillance. The stuff he had is not illegal in the United States. The only time it is illegal is when it's crossing the border," Special Agent Peter Forcelli said. "They were just parts, they weren't whole grenades."

At one point, Kingery was arrested by ATF agents as he tried to cross into Mexico, but the case was dropped by the Department of Justice under orders from former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke and former Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley.

ATF agents did their job in trying to stop Kingery and grenade parts, which would eventually be assembled into explosives, from going south into Mexico. Department of Justice attorneys Burke and Hurley set him free and ignored the case for years, resulting in the murders of multiple Mexican police officers last week. Kingery is now being held and prosecuted in Mexico by Mexican authorities after his grenade mill and factory was located near Mazatlan. After a search warrant was executed, authorities found Kingery had trafficked enough material to build 800-1000 grenades. He's facing 40 years in a Mexican prison.

Dennis Burke, now where have I heard that name before ?

Breitbart.com -
Former US Attorney Behind Assault Weapons Ban Ran Fast & Furious

Those who have been covering Operation Fast and Furious for 18 months know all about former US Attorney Dennis Burke. The general public doesn't know much about him, because like many of the high officials involved in Fast & Furious, he was allowed to resign quietly and face no consequences for his actions.

And, how does this apply to Dodson ?

FoxNews.com -
Watchdog report says DOJ official retaliated against ‘Furious’ whistle-blower, lied about it

An Office of Inspector General report showed that Dennis Burke -- the former chief of staff for Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano appointed as U.S. Attorney for Arizona by President Obama in September 2009 -- lied when asked if he leaked sensitive documents to the press meant to undermine the credibility of ATF whistle-blower John Dodson.

CBSnews.com - Sharyl Attkisson is on it.

Deadly drug cartel shootout with Mexico police linked to "grenade-walking" scandal

 

[mayor_quimby]

This issue has effectively been buried by the mainstream media
At this point there needs to be a real ""smoking gun" that puts something to light that has to be addressed otherwise ......

 

[oldman12]

That's a face of pure f'ing evil

 

[highfructosecornsyrup]

am I not paying enough attention or is this matter almost finished being swept under the rug...

 

[Brooklyn]

Nah, all they need is "The appearance of conflict of interest" as a reason.

Not going to work -- allegations of criminal misconduct, and public right to know will trump it. See whistle-blower statute and also pentagon papers.

At best he would be denied financial proceeds., as I , hopalong and at least one other person mentioned ( sorry i forgot who but it's just above this post I am sure ) .

Give it away -- done.

Sell it -- more delay more publicity and then they give it away anyway.

 

[Hopalong]

OBE. Apparently ATF changed their stance and are allowing him to publish, just not allowing him to "profit" from it.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/justice/fast-and-furious-agent-book/