Private Seller NICS check?

[Matlack]

Nope. See, I just don't unzip my pants and show my junk to anybody. Nor do I accept it as normal and reduce my beliefs to the lowest common denominator. I'm not a narcissist and have no need to expose all my doing to everybody who wants to look. No Facebook, twitter, etc. Been a member on this (and other forums) since the early days, and my post average is way below average. My GPS is turned off on my cell phone and I know how to take the battery out if I need to. Wife has the checkbook and I mostly deal in cash. Yep, we have credit cards, but prefer not to use them for every day stuff. Too hard to get underwater with them and you pay a financial and privacy price for using them. They are nice for internet purchases, but pay as you go cards make that easy as well... without the traceability. Some banks allow "one time use" credit cards to protect your info, these are probably a bugger to track.

Am I a dinosaur? Maybe, but my business is my business. Yep, my data is probably out there, but as a needle in a haystack and I try to keep it from migrating to the top were it can be easily found.

My security/identity breach is through the .gov (OPM), so much for trusting anybody but myself.


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No doubt. Its not easy to stay under the radar, you have to be intentional to be able to do it.

 

[Matlack]

I didn't narrow anything. I responded to comments that said your credit card companies and banks flag you for being a gun owner. I asked for proof since I'm sure many employees that work at credit card companies and banks own guns and would expose said database. Then you start talking about a completely different subject.

You ignored "google" and "commercial" which expanded the topic beyond just the financial institutions. Just saying.

 

[Muleskinner]

It's a crime for a prohibited person to attempt to buy firearm. So what are you going to do when the person is denied and the FBI wants the information and your firearm as evidence? OR you tell the person you can't sell them the gun because they are denied and they get in your face...or worse?

 

[ericoak]

You ignored "google" and "commercial" which expanded the topic beyond just the financial institutions. Just saying.

You can include banks and financials institutions. Find me any evidence that they care whether you buys guns or not. That is the topic. Not whether companies track you for advertising purposes.

 

[Muleskinner]

You can include banks and financials institutions. Find me any evidence that they care whether you buys guns or not. That is the topic. Not whether companies track you for advertising purposes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-gun-shops-other-businesses-from-banking.html

 

[ericoak]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-gun-shops-other-businesses-from-banking.html

Firearm companies are doing business with banks every single day.

This doesn't prove that the bank has a database of gun buyers.

 

[Mr H]

How about some proof that isn't made up? And even if it where true, they are one bank, not the entire industry.

IIRC, it was due to pressure from the US gummin'... I'll look it up...

http://www.ammoland.com/2014/05/gun-store-owners-banks-continue-to-cut-ties-under-doj-pressure/

http://www.gunsandammo.com/blogs/ne...millan-group-for-being-firearms-manufacturer/

http://www.nssfblog.com/citibank-continues-to-deny-credit-to-firearms-industry/

There was also a handful of members here, as I recall, who ran into issues with their financial institutions over this.

 

[Pinecone]

Some banks allow "one time use" credit cards to protect your info, these are probably a bugger to track.

Nope, the bank has the data on who got one and how it was used.

 

[Pinecone]

It's a crime for a prohibited person to attempt to buy firearm. So what are you going to do when the person is denied and the FBI wants the information and your firearm as evidence? OR you tell the person you can't sell them the gun because they are denied and they get in your face...or worse?

You tell them up front, if you come back No, I cannot sell to you. If this is in error, you need to deal with the system to get it corrected.

And considering they are not going after prohibited people who try to buy from a dealer, what makes you think they will go after prohibited people denied in private sales?

And they even when they do go after someone prohibited, the firearm is not evidence, as I understand it, NICS does not ask firearms info, it could be for any firearm.

 

[Boxcab]

Nope, the bank has the data on who got one and how it was used.

Was never clear on this, thanks.


So that still leaves the pay as you go cards. Walk in to Wally World plunk down some cash and get a VISA, MC or AMEX for that amount. Use and refill as required. Works like a charm.



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[Pinecone]

Yes, those do work.

There are ways to stay off the grid.

But most people have a serious data trail of all sorts of things.

And while at this time, your bank does not care if you are a 2A person, if they change their mind, the data IS there.

 

[Sirex]

I had done some private background checks when selling a couple guns to people I didn't know. Most people that I actually know, I feel comfortable doing a no worry face to face. People I don't know, I get the buyer's name, run it thru the MD Judicial Case search. Save the results page. I have only had one person I declined to sell to. It shows most court convictions and other stuff, and is public record. I figured it's a decent way to be prudent, and keep any unnecessary paperwork from slowing down the government.

 

[RwWilly]

Instead of drumming up more business for lawyers, just consign? Oh, you don't want to pay that fee! Money out of your pocket. But you will advocate that I pay a fee to perform an e-check so you feel better.
I sell guns within the frame work of the law. I'm good.

 

[Matlack]

Instead of drumming up more business for lawyers, just consign? Oh, you don't want to pay that fee! Money out of your pocket. But you will advocate that I pay a fee to perform an e-check so you feel better.
I sell guns within the frame work of the law. I'm good.

That's not what I proposedat all.

 

[MigraineMan]

I had done some private background checks when selling a couple guns to people I didn't know. Most people that I actually know, I feel comfortable doing a no worry face to face.

Unfortunately, that's not good enough. A friend of mine, someone who I've known for over a decade, turned out to be prohibited. Found out from his wife that he did something stoopid in his 20s. His current situation - good job, family, behavior, etc - would never have given me a clue.

If the law says "no sales to prohibited persons," then I rather expect the State to provide me with a method for being compliant with said law. And I expect that the ability to do so doesn't come in the form of purchasing some cottage-industry's product.

Alternatively, if we're intent on maintaining the permanent "prohibited person" status, we could just tattoo a crimson P on a person's left armpit after conviction. That'd allow a simple visual check without causing undue social stigma.

 

[ericoak]

If the law says "no sales to prohibited persons," then I rather expect the State to provide me with a method for being compliant with said law. And I expect that the ability to do so doesn't come in the form of purchasing some cottage-industry's product.

That's not what the law says though.

 

[Sirex]

Unfortunately, that's not good enough.

Actually, yeah, it was. Considering I didn't have to do anything at all.

 

[Threeband]

Actually, yeah, it was. Considering I didn't have to do anything at all.

QFT

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[stm]

Be careful what you wish for! Here in Illinois, we have the Firearms Owner IDentification card. You must have it in your possession any time you possess firearms OR ammunition. You must show your FOID card any time you purchase or acquire firearms or ammunition, even in a private transfer.

In order to conduct a private transfer of a firearm in Illinois, you must first log on to ISP's website and verify the buyer's FOID card is currently valid. They give you a verification number that you have to include in a written record of the transaction, which has to include name, buyer's info, make, model, serial number, etc. You have to keep this record for TEN years and produce it upon demand of a peace officer. Oh, and you have to abide by the 24/72 hour waiting period for long guns/handguns. And mandatory reporting for lost or stolen guns.

With all of this regulation, Chicago still has 400-500 murders a year, mostly by handguns.

We don't need more gun control, we need more criminal control!

 

[traveller]

With all of this regulation, Chicago still has 400-500 murders a year, mostly by handguns.

We don't need more gun control, we need more criminal control!

Pretty sure, none of these firearms was purchased using a FOID card.