Poll - would you put this foregrip on your AR pistol?

[j_h_smith]

Someone posted a letter from ATF regarding a 90 degree angle, and how (I think) the grip pictured would not make the weapon an AOW. I'm presuming that's what gave rise to this thread/poll.


This post:

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5094003&postcount=4

85 degrees or 90 degrees, the letter of the law may not be there, but even if it is legal, it's going to cost you money to get out from under that little experiment. No way.

 

[DubTap21]

thats a no go for me and should be for everyone

the BCM even sells it labeled as a vertical grip

if they sold it as an angled grip maybe i could meet you half way here but if it looks like a vert grip then ATF is gonna treat it like one

Exactly this.

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[dreadpirate]

I say no, my understanding is that it is illegal. Although, there is a stipulation for overall length; but I don't recall what it is. If it were me I would not even mess with it.

 

[Goldslammer]

Same grip ?

 

[j_h_smith]

Same grip ?

Look like it's the same grip but on a rifle.

 

[outrider58]

I say no, my understanding is that it is illegal. Although, there is a stipulation for overall length; but I don't recall what it is. If it were me I would not even mess with it.

I believe it's over 26", it is no longer considered concealable a pistol.

 

[swinokur]

And is then defined as a firearm

 

[dreadpirate]

I believe it's over 26", it is no longer considered concealable a pistol.

Ok - well there you go. That would be legal.

 

[Merlin593]

Well this thread has created some great “constructive confrontation”. I hope that all interested have been able to see the inconsistencies between law, interpretation and ATF determination that exist in our hobby/sport/profession that make it difficult for the end user to purchase various mislabeled/confusingly marketed products.
This grip is sold as angled by Brownells (BCM product). https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/grip-parts/foregrips/picatinny-bcmgunfighter-kag-angled-grip-polymer-gray-sku100016514-73702-158439.aspx?cm_mmc=cse-_-Itwine-_-shopzilla-_-100-016-514&utm_medium=cse&utm_source=connexity&utm_campaign=itwine&utm_content=100-016-514
Do you see anything terribly different from how you can grip it vs. the “vertical” one pictured in my OP? How about it’s design or the way it’s mounted to a rail?
I can wrap my whole hand around this grip too.
How about hand stops? They’re not marketed as a grip but you can easily use them as such. Most are designed with a 90 degree/vertical angle.
Don’t these inconsistencies bother you? It does me.

 

[dreadpirate]

Well this thread has created some great “constructive confrontation”. I hope that all interested have been able to see the inconsistencies between law, interpretation and ATF determination that exist in our hobby/sport/profession that make it difficult for the end user to purchase various mislabeled/confusingly marketed products.

If it's unclear as to the legality, then I simply avoid it. Period. The world will not end if I don't put a vertical grip on my AR pistol.

 

[swinokur]

The age old question.

Is the juice worth the squeeze?

For me a solid NO. Too many alternatives to risk becoming a prohibited person.

 

[Boom Boom]

Well this thread has created some great “constructive confrontation”. I hope that all interested have been able to see the inconsistencies between law, interpretation and ATF determination that exist in our hobby/sport/profession that make it difficult for the end user to purchase various mislabeled/confusingly marketed products.

Is your goal to be a federal prison inmate? The answer is really simple. Don't festoon an AR pistol with anything an aggressive federal prosecutor can use to send you up the river. Life is too short to get tunnel vision and risk a life of misery over tactifool doodads.

 

[Schipperke]

Be like Josh Randall

 

[outrider58]

The age old question.

Is the juice worth the squeeze?

For me a solid NO. Too many alternatives to risk becoming a prohibited person.

Ditto

 

[DubTap21]

Dude, what are you so hung up on regarding these forward grips? The one you posted originally is a vertical grip as per BCM. The last one you posted is their AFG..... it is angled as per BCM. It doesn't matter if you can hold them both the same way. They are different. One will get you 10 years in prison if you put it on your AR pistol, the other will not! You sound like the type of person who would write a letter to the ATF asking if it's legal to hold an angled grip the same way you hold a verticle grip!

Buy a damn angled grip or file your papers for an AOW stamp and then get the vert grip. JFC!

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[eruby]

85 degrees or 90 degrees, the letter of the law may not be there, but even if it is legal, it's going to cost you money to get out from under that little experiment. No way.

Won't cost me anything as I won't buy it.

I made a mistake. I posted about a different stock, or misread the letter.

Good lord.

 

[j_h_smith]

Won't cost me anything as I won't buy it.

I made a mistake. I posted about a different stock, or misread the letter.

Good lord.

So you're chastising me for a mistake that you made responding to a message? Isn't that cute?

 

[eruby]

So you're chastising me for a mistake that you made responding to a message? Isn't that cute?

I'm chastising me for lacking the courage to kill myself.

 

[K-43]

I'll kick the horse one more time. I don't want to discuss it with the police.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Statement #1 - The foregrip on pistol issue is silly in the first place.

Statement #2 - That said , I prefer plain forends on rifle or pistol .

Statement #3 - Argueing that 89deg is meaningfully different from 90deg in Court, On Purpose, wouldn't be my Plan A . Or B . Or C . Etc