Pistol with a *fixed* magazine?

[LongTom]

Am I the only one who sees the idiocy of this? Someone help me out, here, because I've read it a thousand times, and it just seems so damned abysmally stupid, that I feel like I must be reading it wrong.

I actually feel like a moron bring this up, but oh well. Feinstein's bill had similar language in it.

1. Am I reading that ONLY pistols with FIXED magazines will be banned, and no other pistols? (seriously?)

2. What, exactly, is the assembly's definition of a *fixed* magazine. Is there something I'm not understanding?

3. Has anyone ever actually heard of a pistol with a fixed magazine able to accept more than 10 rounds (besides those funky 22 pistols with the huge cylinders?) All I can think of are rifles that are too short, so they are classified as regulated firearms.

4. Did they ban the magazine, but not the gun, so therefore, any regular old pistol sold with a magazine accessory holding more than 10rds in the box would be illegal for purchase??

If #4 is true, then that would ban A LOT OF (new in the box) ORDINARY PISTOLS, unless you purchase them used, without the magazine included.

Someone (SOMEONE) tell me that I'm actually reading this right, and that the general assembly liberal party wagon are just raging morons with IQ in the teens?

 

[-Z/28-]

Yes, any pistol with a fixed mag over 10rds will be banned. 10 or less is still fine.

 

[Verbotene]

Yes, it really is that fcking stupid.

Stop trying to understand the logic, you'll end up hurting yourself (exposure well beyond the LD50 of stupid) and then the terrorists win.

 

[Gbh]

Sometimes, just gotta roll with it. Note to self: stay away from fixed mag handguns over 10 rds. Shouldn't be too difficult.

 

[rmiddle]

If #4 is true, then that would ban A LOT OF (new in the box) ORDINARY PISTOLS, unless you purchase them used, without the magazine included.

Someone (SOMEONE) tell me that I'm actually reading this right, and that the general assembly liberal party wagon are just raging morons with IQ in the teens?

Correct. Very few handguns will be disallowed. In the end you can get anything as long as it can be gotten with a 10 round or less mag or have the FFL sell you the gun without a mag and is on the handgun list. Pretty much the same as now with just 10 round limits instead of 20 round limit.

Thanks
Robert

 

[gmkoh]

Is the cylinder of a revolver a fixed magazine? Changing the cylinder can be argued to be disassembly, and therefore fixed.
Anyway- can anyone list or name pistol make/models with fixed magazines over 10 rounds that will be banned?

What shotguns have revolving cylinder magazines (and thus will be banned)? Does this refer to things like the drum mags? and firearms that accept drum magazines, can also accept box mags, can't they?
To simplify- by existing make/model what SG will be banned for reasons other than a folding stock?

 

[Gbh]

Correct. Very few handguns will be disallowed. In the end you can get anything as long as it can be gotten with a 10 round or less mag or have the FFL sell you the gun without a mag and is on the handgun list. Pretty much the same as now with just 10 round limits instead of 20 round limit.

Thanks
Robert

A detachable magazine is not a fixed magazine.

A pistol with a magwell designed to accept a detachable magazine is not the same as a pistol with a fixed magazine.

 

[SOMDHoya]

I have a question about the magazine issue. Will you be able to purchase a pistol that by default comes with a 10 round or less magazine, yet can accept a larger one?

For instance, I have an M&P 40c. It comes with a 10 round mag but I can buy the 15 round magazine with the xgrip extension and use it as a full size. Would that gun be banned as well since it can technically "accept" a larger magazine?

 

[-Z/28-]

I have a question about the magazine issue. Will you be able to purchase a pistol that by default comes with a 10 round or less magazine, yet can accept a larger one?

For instance, I have an M&P 40c. It comes with a 10 round mag but I can buy the 15 round magazine with the xgrip extension and use it as a full size. Would that gun be banned as well since it can technically "accept" a larger magazine?

No.
You will have to buy a Cali compliant one that comes with a 10rd mag, but you'll still be able to buy larger mags out of state and use them.

 

[Kagetsu]

Is the cylinder of a revolver a fixed magazine? Changing the cylinder can be argued to be disassembly, and therefore fixed.
Anyway- can anyone list or name pistol make/models with fixed magazines over 10 rounds that will be banned?

What shotguns have revolving cylinder magazines (and thus will be banned)? Does this refer to things like the drum mags? and firearms that accept drum magazines, can also accept box mags, can't they?
To simplify- by existing make/model what SG will be banned for reasons other than a folding stock?

My gun info on this is dated. The only drum magazine shotgun I've seen was the Street Sweeper. I believe Mauser may have made a fixed magazine pistol over ten rnds. at one time.

 

[Mark75H]

So, are fixed mag +10 plus made before 1985 still exempt or are they banned?

 

[Markp]

Is the cylinder of a revolver a fixed magazine? Changing the cylinder can be argued to be disassembly, and therefore fixed.
Anyway- can anyone list or name pistol make/models with fixed magazines over 10 rounds that will be banned?

What shotguns have revolving cylinder magazines (and thus will be banned)? Does this refer to things like the drum mags? and firearms that accept drum magazines, can also accept box mags, can't they?
To simplify- by existing make/model what SG will be banned for reasons other than a folding stock?

My gun info on this is dated. The only drum magazine shotgun I've seen was the Street Sweeper. I believe Mauser may have made a fixed magazine pistol over ten rnds. at one time.

Drum mags are not revolving cylinders.

The Taurus Judge is a revolving cylinder pistol, that can take shotgun shells. The street sweeper is a revolving cylinder shotgun. The saiga 12 with a drum mag is not.

 

[Gbh]

Drum mags are not revolving cylinders.

The Taurus Judge is a revolving cylinder pistol/shotgun, the street sweeper is a revolving cylinder shotgun. The saiga 12 with a drum mag is not.

The Taurus judge is a pistol.

 

[Markp]

The Taurus judge is a pistol.

Yes, I agree. I will change my post to reflect that.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Note to self ; do NOT install Bullet Button on AR pistol.

 

[OldGriz]

The Broomhandle Mauser pistol in both 9mm and 7.63mm used stripper clips to load a fixed magazine in front of the trigger assy.

 

[gmkoh]

Note to self ; do NOT install Bullet Button on AR pistol.

Should be OK as long as you don't get caught with a 15 or 20 round mag in it.

In Calif, if you have a bullet button, your AR can have any feature you want on it- until you drop the 10 round mag and put in one larger- then you are an instant felon.

 

[gmkoh]

The Broomhandle Mauser pistol in both 9mm and 7.63mm used stripper clips to load a fixed magazine in front of the trigger assy.

How many rounds did it hold?

And I feel so much safer- broom handled mausers I have heard are the firearm of choice for criminal activity

 

[Mike OTDP]

How many rounds did it hold?

And I feel so much safer- broom handled mausers I have heard are the firearm of choice for criminal activity

6 or 10.

 

[ddeanjohnson]

How many rounds did it hold?

And I feel so much safer- broom handled mausers I have heard are the firearm of choice for criminal activity

6 or 10.

Except for the ones that hold 20 rounds. Photo below: Finnish variant of Broomhandle Mauser, World War I era, soon to be a banned "copycat" firearm in Maryland.