Merlin
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Also is there some kind of list that you can get from the MSP that exactly spells out what a G&S is? Or is whatever they want it to be that given day?
Also is there some kind of list that you can get from the MSP that exactly spells out what a G&S is? Or is whatever they want it to be that given day?
Also is there some kind of list that you can get from the MSP that exactly spells out what a G&S is? Or is whatever they want it to be that given day?
This is what folks have been getting (from the first post):
http://www.box.com/s/92306766413790660714
So they tell the people that they do not have a G&S, but they do not offer any examples of what a G&S reason may be or look like.
So they tell the people that they do not have a G&S, but they do not offer any examples of what a G&S reason may be or look like.
So they tell the people that they do not have a G&S, but they do not offer any examples of what a G&S reason may be or look like.
It's arbitrary hence the good fight being put forth. Even MSPcouldn'twouldn't define it when asked by the Delegates during a hearing.
FIFY
Although the MSP knows it when they say it!
Unfortunately I know the answer to this But I just want to read it from you guys just in case I'm wrong, but there is no list of requirement or description of guidelines that one must meet to be considered to have a G&S according to the MSP standards?
I know there is a list of things you need if your a business owner as far as licenses, tax returns, deposits slips, and invoices. But it does not really go into any detail. For example, if your a business owners and you show your tax returns that show you paid business related taxes, why they do you also have to show deposits slips or invoices or a license?
The only way I will pay the FED's business related taxes is if I have a business. And if you do show your tax returns, they show all income and overhead for that given year. So why the need to show everything seperetly?
Unless the MSP really mean to say you have to show either your business related taxes, OR you deposit slips, OR your invoices, OR you license. But if you look at how it reads you have to show it all.
mvee said:Is there any way to hold the MDSP accountable for not following COMAR by not accepting these applications?
For the Business owner they want to see deposit slips with LARGE amounts of cash, then the permit will be restricted to the times the business owner is traveling to or from the bank with a large amount of money.
Is there any way to hold the MDSP accountable for not following COMAR by not accepting these applications?
But you're not factoring in one important point, I think...
G&S no longer matters, per Judge Legg's ruling.
Anything that once applied to justification of G&S should no longer matter.
Yes, there is a stay of the ACTION of the ruling, but the ruling itself is there. If MSP is still trying to enforce it, "dey goss some 'splainin to do!!"
For us to be worrying about cash depoosits, and 'apprehended threats' before we remember we're looking at a fundamental, enumerated right, then we're proving the existence of BGOS, and admitting we've been cowed by what has been the standard, rather than looking forward to what is right.
But you're not factoring in one important point, I think...
G&S no longer matters, per Judge Legg's ruling.
Anything that once applied to justification of G&S should no longer matter.
Yes, there is a stay of the ACTION of the ruling, but the ruling itself is there. If MSP is still trying to enforce it, "dey goss some 'splainin to do!!"
For us to be worrying about cash depoosits, and 'apprehended threats' before we remember we're looking at a fundamental, enumerated right, then we're proving the existence of BGOS, and admitting we've been cowed by what has been the standard, rather than looking forward to what is right.
Is that true, or is it OK for them to use it during the stay? I would deduce by the judge implementing the stay is him saying I ruled like I did but you still do not have to follow it just yet until he is satisfied he has worked everything out.
Likewise if the 4th give MD a more permit stay that will last through the complete appeal process, there to I think the MSP can proceed as business as normal and keep using G&S to their hearts content. IF/when the one day loose the appeals process, they they will have to stop using it.
And I right or do I have it wrong?
For the Business owner they want to see deposit slips with LARGE amounts of cash, then the permit will be restricted to the times the business owner is traveling to or from the bank with a large amount of money.
IANAL, so I will defer to the one that has posted a wealth of information in this thread. Use and advanced search using the "Search this Thread" tool and look for user name esqappellate and you will see a wealth of commentary about the state's action and the legality of same.