NYC CCW case is at SCOTUS!

[Lalez]

As of this moment Maryland is a Constitutional Carry state, their laws are found to be unconstitutional

 

[PO2012]

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Frosh and the various politicians can say what they want, Maryland's "good and substantial" regime is DOA.

What I expect is that the system will stay the same except for G&S, namely an application along with photos, fingerprints and proof of training. After that you wait for some period of time and get your W&C.

Given how the opinion was written, any attempt to delay or sabotage will likely result in painful legal reprocussions.

 

[PO2012]

As of this moment Maryland is a Constitutional Carry state, their laws are found to be unconstitutional

For all intents and purposes, unless you're a prohibited person.

 

[accokeek]

Good News from SCOTUS!

The Supreme Court said Thursday that Americans generally have a right to carry a handgun outside the home for self-defense, striking down a New York law requiring a special need for such a permit and putting at risk similar laws in five other states.

The court’s decision clears the way for legal challenges to similar restrictions in California, New Jersey, Maryland, Hawaii and Massachusetts.

 

[Bullfrog]

Frosh is already being a whiny bitch.

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"Maryland, like many other states..."

He spelled 'tiny minority' wrong...

 

[Norton]

Deluge of threads regarding which carry gun, which holster and does this one make my butt look fat? in 3...2...

A careful man will always avoid that trap at the risk of replying, "no, your ass makes your ass look fat"

 

[DanGuy48]

They have to examine the ruling to determine the impact to the state but it will impact the state with more deaths? I wonder how long that memo has been sitting in a folder to be printed.

He said the same thing when WV went permitless carry. What happened there? Nothing, crickets. Frosh is a liar.

 

[teratos]

A careful man will always avoid that trap at the risk of replying, "no, your ass makes your ass look fat"

Your ass makes those pants look small!

 

[Norton]

Deluge of threads regarding which carry gun, which holster and does this one make my butt look fat? in 3...2...

I'm getting one of these built for a LAR Grizzly.

1942 “Tanker” Holster – 3″ to 5″ Barrels – El Paso Saddlery

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[Brute]

This goes to my point exactly. They don't care. Hell, this may actually result in more gun control legislation for consideration than there otherwise would have been. They are openly hostile to the SCOTUS - many of them see current SCOTUS as illegitimate because Orange Man Bad and Orange Man Bad's picks allowed this to happen.

And I ask the question again - if these remaining May Issue states don't change a damn thing or do the absolute minimum while increasing costs/training, shortening license times, etc... what will happen to them? Who "forces" them to comply?

I think you're absolutely correct. This is an outstanding opening salvo, but the war isn't anywhere near over. We're way past the point of "I disagree but accept the Court's ruling as the law of the land". I'm sure that the usual suspect counties, the state, and the feds are going to do everything they can to intentionally misinterpret or just flat-out ignore the ruling. They probably think they can stall until a packed court overturns it, whether that's actually legally possible or not. I feel like an effective enforcement method was never put into place because up until somewhat recently it was never thought to be needed.

 

[Stoveman]

I'm getting one of these built for a LAR Grizzly.

1942 “Tanker” Holster – 3″ to 5″ Barrels – El Paso Saddlery

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We need that "like" button back. Straight up sexy right there.

 

[Stoveman]

Remind me again what I should understand?

Hahaha! This day just keeps on getting better.

 

[Inigoes]

I'm getting one of these built for a LAR Grizzly.

1942 “Tanker” Holster – 3″ to 5″ Barrels – El Paso Saddlery

epsaddlery.com

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That is my carry rig. Without the belt, it will flap around.

 

[Ponder_MD]

Frosh is right. More guns means more people will die. Violent criminals will die.

Thinking about it, I actually do expect an initial uptick in shooting deaths as criminals walk into a new buzzsaw of lawfully armed citizenry. Then, I think there will be a sharp decrease as "civility" is rediscovered.

 

[RoadDawg]

Frosh and the various politicians can say what they want, Maryland's "good and substantial" regime is DOA.

What I expect is that the system will stay the same except for G&S, namely an application along with photos, fingerprints and proof of training. After that you wait for some period of time and get your W&C.

Given how the opinion was written, any attempt to delay or sabotage will likely result in painful legal reprocussions.

And… another side effect…

This could potentially open up reciprocity between Maryland and other states for CCW Permit holders. Because Maryland can no longer deny the rights of American citizens to protect themselves within the state borders. They must now, either issue a Maryland CCWP, or accept the permits of other states as lawful for concealed carry here.

 

[Bullfrog]

So the Frosh Press Release says" ... If the norm is that people can carry firearms..." does that mean he's saying that we can?

In the majority of states, that is precisely the norm. And the rest of his statement is 180 degrees out of step with reality.

 

[Inigoes]

And… another side effect…

This could potentially open up reciprocity between Maryland and other states for CCW Permit holders. Because Maryland can no longer deny the rights of American citizens to protect themselves within the state borders. They must now, either issue a Maryland CCWP, or accept the permits of other states as lawful for concealed carry here.

That wasn't touched in this opinion.

Another court case will be needed for reciprosity.

 

[lazarus]

I think you're absolutely correct. This is an outstanding opening salvo, but the war isn't anywhere near over. We're way past the point of "I disagree but accept the Court's ruling as the law of the land". I'm sure that the usual suspect counties, the state, and the feds are going to do everything they can to intentionally misinterpret or just flat-out ignore the ruling. They probably think they can stall until a packed court overturns it, whether that's actually legally possible or not. I feel like an effective enforcement method was never put into place because up until somewhat recently it was never thought to be needed.

There never was an effective enforcement method. ALL governments work on one principle only

Do enough of the right people agree to the social contract and the framework of the government?

Depending on the society, in an autocratic one that usually meant people with the most firepower and money. In a fully democratic one...it means the same thing.

It is just that in the democratic one, that's spread over more people.

So no enforcement mechanism can necessarily work unless enough of the right people believe in following the laws.

 

[trickg]

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Wow. I'm glad they fundamentally agree with 6 of the arguably most astute legal minds in the nation.

 

[RoadDawg]

That wasn't touched in this opinion.

Another court case will be needed for reciprosity.

I did say… “could potentially open up…”