No firearms allowed in this building...

[Jimgoespewpew]

What are all those yellow things?

Metal detectors?

Undercover minions

 

[RFBfromDE]

Undercover minions

Now we are getting somewhere!

 

[DaemonAssassin]

That same sign is also at Airways Inn restaurant at the Frederick airport. I’m guessing because the building the restaurant is in is owned by the city?

The airport office is on the second floor of that building. You can't carry in an airport building.

 

[dblas]

The airport office is on the second floor of that building. You can't carry in an airport building.

Unless specifically called out, you can on the public side, you can't past the security check point.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

Unless specifically called out, you can on the public side, you can't past the security check point.

Entry to the airport office is from within the restaurant.

This is not a normal airport like BWI, Dulles, or Reagan National. It is the restaurant building at the Frederick Airport.

 

[Ammo Jon]

I don't care anymore. The state thinks I'm a criminal. I now act like one and do what I want. It's so liberating to not care what the crown thinks anymore.

Most signs I see prohibit carrying a Beretta or a revolver, thankfully I carry a Glock.

 

[smkranz]

Most signs I see prohibit carrying a Beretta or a revolver, thankfully I carry a Glock.

And to quote our good friend, EBMD.

 

[trailman]

Looks like the Church St. parking garage. Look behind you and see what building is there and who owns that big building with the off street parking lot, with reserved parking spaces. There may be a reason why the city is acting in that manner, even though I don't agree with it in any way.

I work in the building with the big columns and am on good terms with the security staff. I'm still waiting for that shoe to drop on us. The 12 East church deck is City owned as are the other buildings mentioned here, airport etc. The CE is a whack progressive but the mayor is a closet communist. Probably why they are sign-post banned already.

Interestingly enough we had a lock-out? drill this past week, Used to be that if I heard gunshots, I planned on putting the office chair through the window and getting out but I'm not in a location that that is safe to do. Other than doing what I need to do regardless, if those policies come down my first question will be will the County accept legal responsibility for my safety in an event? I know what the answer will be but I'm still making it aware. FFS we can't even get them to conduct Stop the Bleed classes. That building houses the CE and the Council Creeps so we have any number of agitated people stopping in.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

I work in the building with the big columns and am on good terms with the security staff. I'm still waiting for that shoe to drop on us. The 12 East church deck is City owned as are the other buildings mentioned here, airport etc. The CE is a whack progressive but the mayor is a closet communist. Probably why they are sign-post banned already.

Interestingly enough we had a lock-out? drill this past week, Used to be that if I heard gunshots, I planned on putting the office chair through the window and getting out but I'm not in a location that that is safe to do. Other than doing what I need to do regardless, if those policies come down my first question will be will the County accept legal responsibility for my safety in an event? I know what the answer will be but I'm still making it aware. FFS we can't even get them to conduct Stop the Bleed classes. That building houses the CE and the Council Creeps so we have any number of agitated people stopping in.

When I used to work for your employer, the training was so much of a joke that it was unreal. Active Assailant training was only good for raising the kill count in the event of an Active Assailant. Don't get me started on the half a$$Ed training that I had to do every year, that didn't train for diddley.

You know full well, the county has already decided that it is cheaper to settle over your death than actually do jack about the safety and security of the employees. The least they could do is pretend to give half a frozen sh!t. Last I heard those RFID badges aren't being used in buildings other than HQ buildings. Those badges started getting issued 6+ years ago...

 

[babalou]

I don't care anymore. The state thinks I'm a criminal. I now act like one and do what I want. It's so liberating to not care what the crown thinks anymore.

exaaaactly

 

[babalou]

When I used to work for your employer, the training was so much of a joke that it was unreal. Active Assailant training was only good for raising the kill count in the event of an Active Assailant. Don't get me started on the half a$$Ed training that I had to do every year, that didn't train for diddley.

You know full well, the county has already decided that it is cheaper to settle over your death than actually do jack about the safety and security of the employees. The least they could do is pretend to give half a frozen sh!t. Last I heard those RFID badges aren't being used in buildings other than HQ buildings. Those badges started getting issued 6+ years ago...

because payouts are the taxpayers monies. Make them pay personally.

 

[shershot99]

MD Law says:
2-1601
(c) "Building" has the meaning stated in the International Building Code.

IBC says:
BUILDING - Any structure utilized for or intended for supporting or sheltering any occupancy

Occupancy is the critical word here and it is not individually defined in the IBC...depending on the lawyer and Judge...I think it could be argued that a parking garage is not a building....The flip side of the coin COULD be if said garage had a space for an attendant with bathroom, etc. because that is an occupied space.

In this state and most places, when building a parking garage, you do apply for an “Occupancy Permit.” You can’t “use” the garage until that permit is applied for and approved by the county inspectors. so i would assume they could consider it a building. of course this all depends on what county you are in and who the cops and prosecutors are.


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[Sirex]

Meh, nothing bad ever happens in a parking garage. Except maybe....

 

[lazarus]

Meh, nothing bad ever happens in a parking garage. Except maybe....

There can be only one

Also I don't see any signs banning swords. And those are being openly carried, so worries about a concealed deadly weapon charge. If you've got your handgun permit, the good news is you CAN carry that puppy concealed without concern. No more lying to the coppers "no officer, that isn't a hand and a half sword in my pants, I am just happy to see you".

 

[BurkeM]

As long as wrapped up in a knit ski cap and placed in the center console is considered “locked up”, I’m good to go?

Do the locks in your doors work?

 

[BurkeM]

my first question will be will the County accept legal responsibility for my safety in an event?

No. Government has NO RESPONSIBILITY for protecting ANYONE.

The Sheriff and DOC can't protect inmates against murder, rape and assault, inside the jails and Correctional Facility.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

No. Government has NO RESPONSIBILITY for protecting ANYONE.

The Sheriff and DOC can't protect inmates against murder, rape and assault, inside the jails and Correctional Facility.

JFC...

Apparently, you didn't read or care about the rest of his post. If you had cared or read the rest of it, you would notice that he was referring to his employer, which happens to be the government entity across the street from the parking deck. Said employer also has employees that park in said parking deck. There is a lot going on here that has zero to do with government protecting the people, but instead has to do with employer protecting employees.

Hell, I knew what he was saying, and I responded in kind with the knowledge I have of his employer. Sometimes, the whole picture is more than just government protecting people.

 

[BurkeM]

JFC...

Apparently, you didn't read or care about the rest of his post. If you had cared or read the rest of it, you would notice that he was referring to his employer, which happens to be the government entity across the street from the parking deck.

I did. I understood perfectly.

No "employer" is responsible for protecting anyone. Get injured or killed by an active shooter? That 'employer' has zero LIABILITY.

The same applied to a judge killed by an angry citizen- only the killer is responsible.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

I did. I understood perfectly.

No "employer" is responsible for protecting anyone. Get injured or killed by an active shooter? That 'employer' has zero LIABILITY.

The same applied to a judge killed by an angry citizen- only the killer is responsible.

Apparently, you didn't understand perfectly because you snipped off a lot of what he said, but you're backtracking now that you're being called out. Let's rewind the tape, shall we?

No. Government has NO RESPONSIBILITY for protecting ANYONE.

Ergo, your statement is only about government, not an employer. You only brought up the employer when you were called on it.

In addition, you don't know what is going on within FCG for employee safety, so your statement really has no bearing on what he said. My statements to him were from my point of view from my time there. Things probably have changed for the better since then, but I doubt it.

 

[BurkeM]

Apparently, you didn't understand perfectly because you snipped off a lot of what he said, but you're backtracking now that you're being called out. Let's rewind the tape, shall we?



Ergo, your statement is only about government, not an employer. You only brought up the employer when you were called on it.

In addition, you don't know what is going on within FCG for employee safety, so your statement really has no bearing on what he said. My statements to him were from my point of view from my time there. Things probably have changed for the better since then, but I doubt it.

No, I stand by my words.

No employer, government agency or private entity, is RESPONSIBLE for the security of employees, contractors or visitors. The courthouse and City/County operated structures may have armed deputies, contract guards, and other protective measures in place- but they DO NOT imply 'responsibility' for safety or security.

Not even Federal agencies can guarantee 'protection' of the principals, employees, or visitors of the Executive Branch, Congress, or the Judiciary.

No building (or employer) is protected as well as the main operations in Washington, DC- but THEY aren't "secure."

(See the multiple murders in the various Federal buildings in the past for examples. The death of Off Chestnut, bombing of the Senate, assassinations of numerous Presidents, attacks on Federal Judges, Witnesses and Victims, etc.)

July 24, 1998, started as a rather normal day in Washington, D.C., and Officer Jacob Chestnut of the U.S. Capitol Police was posted at the Capitol’s visitor entrance. While writing directions for a pair of tourists, an armed suspect entered the building and stormed past Officer Chestnut’s checkpoint, shooting him at point-blank range. As the gunman rampaged through the Capitol, he engaged in gunfire with the Capitol Police, injuring one tourist as they sought cover. An additional Capitol Police officer, Detective John M. Gibson, was fatally wounded by the gunman.
This abrupt end to Officer Chestnut’s life pales in comparison to his service, not only in law enforcement, but also as a veteran. Before coming to Washington, D.C., Jacob Chestnut served 20 years in the United States Air Force as part of the Air Force Security Police and retired as a master sergeant. He saw action on the frontlines during two tours of duty as a Military Policeman during the Vietnam War.

A man armed with a machete once broke into Stephen Breyer’s vacation home in the Caribbean and took $1,000. Ruth Bader Ginsburg had her purse snatched on a Washington street. David Souter was assaulted by several men while he was jogging. Supreme Court justices have not been immune to violent crime. But this past week’s late-night incident at Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s suburban Washington home, where authorities said a man armed with a gun and knife threatened to kill the justice, reflects a heightened level of potential danger not just for members of the nation’s highest court, but all judges.

But the situation had much in common with other recent incidents that ended with the shooting death of a former judge in Wisconsin last week and the killing in 2020 of the son of a federal judge at their home in New Jersey. Troubled men, harboring a warped desire for vengeance and equipped with guns, turned their threats into action.

• May 12, 2005 – A student pilot flying a small Cessna 150 violated airspace restrictions, prompting mass evacuations throughout the White House and US Capitol. Afterwards, two F-16 fighter jets and a Black Hawk helicopter made the plane land at a small airport nearby.
• August 25, 2009 – A student pilot accidentally violated restricted airspace and was escorted to a nearby airport by a helicopter.
• November 26, 2019 – The White House was placed on lockdown for 30 minutes after a small aircraft intruded on restricted airspace. Fighter jets were scrambled, before it was determined that the aircraft was not hostile.
• October 22, 2014 – Dominic Adesanya, formerly of Bel Air, Maryland, jumped the fence onto the north lawn and was quickly taken down by two security dogs while punching and kicking them before being arrested by the Secret Service. He was later ordered by a judge to a mental health facility. Adesanya, who had twice jumped the White House fence in July 2014, pleaded guilty in April 2015 to entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds and was sentenced in July 2015 to time served and one year of supervised release. Adesanya's lawyer said that he suffered from schizophrenia.
• November 26, 2015 – Joseph Anthony Caputo, 22, of Stamford, Connecticut, was arrested by Secret Service agents almost immediately after jumping over a White House fence as the first family was inside celebrating Thanksgiving. Caputo had left a suicide note and will and apparently had intended to die.[52] In a plea agreement with prosecutors, Caputo pleaded guilty to one federal misdemeanor count of illegal entry of restricted grounds and was sentenced to three years' probation with various conditions.
• March 10, 2017 – A man carrying a backpack, later identified as Jonathan Tuan Tran, 26, of Milpitas, California, was arrested after jumping the White House fence, coming within steps of the mansion. Court papers charged Tran with "entering or remaining in restricted grounds while using or carrying a dangerous weapon" and stated that he had two cans of mace in his possession at the time of the incident.
• October 17, 2017 – Curtis Combs, 36, of Somerset, Kentucky, jumped a concrete barrier on the outer perimeter of the south grounds of the White House complex and was quickly arrested.
• November 19, 2017 – Victor Merswin, 24, of Stafford, Virginia, jumped the bike rack and was in the process of climbing over the first security fence when he was captured and arrested by Secret Service Officers.
• July 2017 – The U.S. Secret Service arrested Travis Reinking in 2017 for being in a "restricted area" near the White House. Secret Service reported, "[Reinking] wanted to set up a meeting with the president." On April 22, 2018 Reinking was identified as the primary subject in the Nashville Waffle House shooting. Due to the 2017 White House arrest, Illinois police seized four weapons belonging to Reinking, including the AR-15 rifle used at the Nashville shooting. It is believed that the weapons were later retrieved by Reinking's father, and returned to his son sometime prior to April 22, 2018. Reinking was at large for over 24 hours before he was found and arrested on April 23, 2018, for the shooting at the Waffle House the previous day which killed four.
• August 10, 2020 – Myron Berryman, a 51-year-old man from Maryland, was shot by a Secret Service officer near 17th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, a few blocks away from the White House after telling the officer he was armed and ran towards the officer with his hand in his pocket. The suspect who was unarmed was arrested and taken to a hospital where he was charged with assault. The President was holding a press briefing on the COVID-19 pandemic and was temporarily escorted from the briefing room by the Secret Service.
• May 22, 2023 – Sai Varshith Kandula, 19-year-old man from Chesterfield, Missouri allegedly drove a U-Haul truck into a security fence. According to investigators, the man said he wanted to kill the president and praised Adolf Hitler after his arrest. A Nazi flag was recovered from the van
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• The 1983 U.S. Senate bombing was a bomb explosion at the United States Senate on November 7, 1983, as a protest against United States military involvement in Lebanon and Grenada. The attack led to heightened security in the DC metropolitan area, and the inaccessibility of certain parts of the Senate Building. Six members of the radical far-left Armed Resistance Unit (also known as Resistance Conspiracy) were arrested in May 1988 and charged with the bombing, as well as related bombings of Fort McNair and the Washington Navy Yard which occurred on April 25, 1983, and April 20, 1984, respectively.

The Washington Navy Yard shooting occurred on September 16, 2013, when 34-year-old Aaron Alexis fatally shot 12 people and injured three others in a mass shooting at the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) inside the Washington Navy Yard in southeast Washington, D.C. The attack took place in the Navy Yard's Building 197; it began around 8:16 a.m. EDT and ended when police killed Alexis around 9:25 a.m. It is the deadliest mass shooting in Washington, D.C. history, as well as the second deadliest mass murder on a U.S. military base, behind the 2009 Fort Hood shooting.

On November 5, 2009, a terrorist mass shooting took place at Fort Hood (now Fort Cavazos), near Killeen, Texas.Nidal Hasan, a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others. It was the deadliest mass shooting on an American military base and the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States since the September 11 attacks until it was surpassed by the San Bernardino attack in 2015.