New California bill aims to protect citizens from gun suicides

[Decoy]

New California bill aims to protect citizens from gun suicides

Under the proposed bill, individuals struggling with suicidal thoughts can voluntarily submit their name to the state office responsible for background checks.

The office would then alert licensed arms dealers that the person is prohibited from buying a gun. If the person could prove they were no longer suicidal, they could remove their name from the list, the report said.

What happens if someone else submits your name?

 

[tallen702]

I don't know, I suggest someone submit Feinstein's name to find out. Remember, she owns guns and has a CCP.

 

[DC-W]

Here’s the bill text
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1927

 

[2ndMDRebel]

For now the bill covers only self-reporting. Of course, this is just the "foot in the door" initial legislation attempt which seems innocent enough and limited in scope. Wait until the "gee the rules we put in are not making a difference" and then round two comes with medical professionals being able to make the call, then it goes to clergy/counsellors, then to relatives, then to... well you get the picture. Not to mention guns in the household, imagine having a relative with issues and the state seizing your guns or preventing you from purchasing new firearms because of it. That slope sure is slippery.

 

[JoeRinMD]

The office would then alert licensed arms dealers that the person is prohibited from buying a gun. If the person could prove they were no longer suicidal, they could remove their name from the list, the report said.

The bolded phrase is very scary. How do you prove the negative? If you had at some point in the past had suicidal thoughts, do you want to leave it up to a gov't agency to accurately keep track?

JoeR

 

[Rab1515]

Slippery slope. All it takes is one little nudge...

 

[DC-W]

Read the bill guys

 

[Decoy]

Read the bill guys

30180. (a) The Department of Justice shall develop and launch a secure Internet-based platform to allow a person who resides in California to voluntarily add his or her own name to the California Do Not Sell List, hereafter the registry. The department, in cooperation with the State Department of Public Health, and other relevant state agencies, shall ensure that this Internet-based platform is easy to find. The department shall ensure that the Internet-based platform does all of the following credibly:

(1) Verifies the identity of a person who opts to register or requests removal.

Thanks for the link to the text of the bill. I would still like to know how they verify a persons identity.

 

[MigraineMan]

I don't know, I suggest someone submit Feinstein's name to find out. Remember, she owns guns and has a CCP.

As if she carries it herself. She has people to do that.

 

[Schipperke]

The bolded phrase is very scary. How do you prove the negative? If you had at some point in the past had suicidal thoughts, do you want to leave it up to a gov't agency to accurately keep track?

JoeR

Exactly.. prove you are not a risk? Know many would have trouble with that w/o initiating they were temporarily in the first place.

(d) A person registered on the California Do Not Sell List may subsequently file a petition in the Superior Court of the county in which the person resides requesting to have his or her name removed from the registry. The court, after a hearing, shall order removal of the person’s name from the registry if he or she establishes by a preponderance of the evidence that he or she is not at elevated risk of suicide. Upon receiving the court order for removal, the department shall promptly remove the person from the NICS Index for California and shall expunge all records related to the person’s registration on the California Do Not Sell List and his or her removal.

 

[DC-W]

Thanks for the link to the text of the bill. I would still like to know how they verify a persons identity.

It's worrisome that the bill relies so heavily on e-mail.

(2) At the time of registration, a person may, but is not required to, list up to five electronic mail addresses with the registry to be contacted promptly if the person subsequently requests that his or her name be removed from the registry. The department shall promptly provide notice by electronic mail to the provided electronic mail addresses of the fact that the person has requested removal from the registry and of the date, time, and location of any hearing to be held pursuant to subdivision (d).

 

[John from MD]

How about the kid down the block doesn't like you and submits your name to the list?

 

[JoeRinMD]

Exactly.. prove you are not a risk? Know many would have trouble with that w/o initiating they were temporarily in the first place.

(d) A person registered on the California Do Not Sell List may subsequently file a petition in the Superior Court of the county in which the person resides requesting to have his or her name removed from the registry. The court, after a hearing, shall order removal of the person’s name from the registry if he or she establishes by a preponderance of the evidence that he or she is not at elevated risk of suicide. Upon receiving the court order for removal, the department shall promptly remove the person from the NICS Index for California and shall expunge all records related to the person’s registration on the California Do Not Sell List and his or her removal.

Thanks for the quote, Schipperke. The actual language is even worse. You can "self declare" that you're struggling with suicidal thoughts, but then after you've done that it takes a court order based on the "preponderance of evidence" that you're not a risk to get off the list. OMG!!

JoeR

 

[Doctor_M]

Will also add you to no-buy list for sleeping pills, straight razors, and belts?

 

[rbird7282]

This is just more retarded crap from California. Just when I thought they couldn't get any dumber they come up with this.


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[DC-W]

It truly is another country over there.

 

[MigraineMan]

I'm thinking this bill is in violation of California's Constitution -

California Constitution

ARTICLE I DECLARATION OF RIGHTS [SECTION 1 - SEC. 32] ( Article 1 adopted 1879. )

SECTION 1.

All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

(Sec. 1 added Nov. 5, 1974, by Proposition 7. Resolution Chapter 90, 1974.)

Shall we also allow people to self-incarcerate themselves in prison because they are feeling "violent toward others," only to have to prove themselves "mostly harmless" to a Court before being returned to society?

 

[Melnic]

How about people who have thoughts about robbing a convenience store submit their names into a database also?
Or people who are having murderous thoughts should submit. Sounds reasonable right?
Oh, if you think you might speed or run a red light, you should send in your name too.

 

[dgapilot]

The next step would be if you call a suicide hotline, your name gets put on the “list”.




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[TheBert]

The next step would be if you call a suicide hotline, your name gets put on the “list”.

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