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[Kimerazor]

Hunter safety used to be taught in school.


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[HeatSeeker]

I guess I will go ahead and open myself up to attack, but I have said it before. I have no problem with a person needing some hands on training before owning a firearm. We are talking about guns....not chainsaws, lawnmowers, toaster ovens. I dont give a damn if someone knows how to handle a chainsaw before purchase, but would like for someone to know how to handle a firearm before purchasing. Sure this guy would still be an idiot, but maybe he would have learned to not put a loaded magazine in the gun before pulling back the slide to cut the freakin zip tie off under the table in Hooters if he had some hands on training. This has nothing to do with our rights to protect ourselves it is about knowledge of firearm handling and safety for people that plan to own one. Not really sure what the answer is?????

 

[swinokur]

How is firearm knowledge different than any other kind involving a hazardous activity?

 

[virtus]

Anyone else notice the amount of new guys posting up lately about the need for mandatory training?

 

[swinokur]

"The libs are coming ! The libs are coming!"

They're welcome here too. Makes for good convo IMO.

 

[tsmith1499]

I guess I will go ahead and open myself up to attack, but I have said it before. I have no problem with a person needing some hands on training before owning a firearm. We are talking about guns....not chainsaws, lawnmowers, toaster ovens. I dont give a damn if someone knows how to handle a chainsaw before purchase, but would like for someone to know how to handle a firearm before purchasing. Sure this guy would still be an idiot, but maybe he would have learned to not put a loaded magazine in the gun before pulling back the slide to cut the freakin zip tie off under the table in Hooters if he had some hands on training. This has nothing to do with our rights to protect ourselves it is about knowledge of firearm handling and safety for people that plan to own one. Not really sure what the answer is?????

The problem is that no amount of training and education is going to give someone COMMON SENSE. This is what this person was totally lacking. My wife even knows better than to do something THAT stupid. Thoses were HER exact words after I told her about this fiasco. She also shoots, but not as often as I do. But she HAS common sense.

 

[booker]

How is firearm knowledge different than any other kind involving a hazardous activity?

Some hazardous activities can only impact the user (such as not wearing a seat belt, or playing Five-Finger Fillet, although some argue that not wearing seat belts puts strain on healthcare and insurance systems by producing avoidable injuries). Some can impact others (ex, handling firearms on a cold range or building a camp fire in a drought-affected forest).

Is that an important or material distinction? Some say yes, some say no. Perhaps, like most things, it depends.

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The personal attacks launched in the latter pages of this thread are pretty disturbing to me.

Throwing labels and names at people for one or two statements that aren't even necessarily their personal opinions, rather part of a discussion, and immediately dismissing their entire viewpoint as a result is a direct byproduct of parochial group-think. Those same people wonder why Congressmen and other people of influence don't listen, don't have the same clearly logical thought-process, and don't come to the same clearly obvious conclusions.

It's a self-licking ice cream cone, and until the arguments are firmed up to not require a personal belief to remain valid, the gun control lobby will enjoy a steady, bloody supply of AD/ND/gun-crime victims to leverage in support of their agenda.

 

[Chasbo00]

All this talk about training and we don't really know whether a lack of training was even a cause factor here. Maybe he knew how to safely reload his pistol but just failed to do so for reasons not related to a skill or knowledge deficiency. He displayed incredibly poor judgment by attempting to reload his pistol in a crowded restaurant, and this affected the severity of this event by resulting in an injury to another person. However, his attempt to reload in a restaurant probably did not directly contribute to the gun's unintentional discharge. So what is really the case here? Is it a knowledge and skill deficiency, or is it an attitudinal problem? Perhaps it's some of both.

 

[Docster]

All this talk about training and we don't really know whether a lack of training was even a cause factor here. Maybe he knew how to safely reload his pistol but just failed to do so for reasons not related to a skill or knowledge deficiency. He displayed incredibly poor judgment by attempting to reload his pistol in a crowded restaurant, and this affected the severity of this event by resulting in an injury to another person. However, his attempt to reload in a restaurant probably did not directly contribute to the gun's unintentional discharge. So what is really the case here? Is it a knowledge or skill deficiency, or is it an attitudinal problem? Perhaps it's some of both.

It's a habit of all of us on this forum to create a lot of opinions and some firm declarations, based on very limited facts.

 

[swinokur]

The personal attacks launched in the latter pages of this thread are pretty disturbing to me.

Throwing labels and names at people for one or two statements that aren't even necessarily their personal opinions, rather part of a discussion, and immediately dismissing their entire viewpoint as a result is a direct byproduct of parochial group-think. Those same people wonder why Congressmen and other people of influence don't listen, don't have the same clearly logical thought-process, and don't come to the same clearly obvious conclusions.

I'm not sure who your post was aimed at. I don't issue personal; attacks on anyone here. That said, if you find a post offensive use the "report" button in the left hand margin. The mods here are amongst the fairest and most even handed I have encounter on the many forums I have frequented.

 

[booker]

..if you find a post offensive..

My comment had nothing to do with anybody being offensive or insulting.

 

[swinokur]

What did you mean by this?

the personal attacks launched in the latter pages of this thread are pretty disturbing to me.

 

[HeatSeeker]

I don't necassarily agree with mandatory training, but if you were required to take Basic Pistol to own or carry, would you do it? I would. Some states require this for CCP. As I said before, I don't know what the answer is, but wish there was some way to keep guns out of the hands of idiots like this guy. I am still in the dark about the cash and carry purchase at gun shows. I have never purchased at a show. How do they get around the background check and 7 day wait?

And as for the Lib comment....you take that back

 

[HeatSeeker]

All this talk about training and we don't really know whether a lack of training was even a cause factor here. Maybe he knew how to safely reload his pistol but just failed to do so for reasons not related to a skill or knowledge deficiency. He displayed incredibly poor judgment by attempting to reload his pistol in a crowded restaurant, and this affected the severity of this event by resulting in an injury to another person. However, his attempt to reload in a restaurant probably did not directly contribute to the gun's unintentional discharge. So what is really the case here? Is it a knowledge and skill deficiency, or is it an attitudinal problem? Perhaps it's some of both.

It would seem to me that he had no idea that after he inserted a loaded magazine and pulled the slide back that pulling the trigger was not going to result in a dry fire.

 

[swinokur]

We are speaking about FTF sales in VA. MD does not allow it.

In VA, for a FTF sale, no wait, no NICS check. Seller is required to ascertain buyer is not a prohibited buyer and is a VA resident.

 

[Chasbo00]

It would seem to me that he had no idea that after he inserted a loaded magazine and pulled the slide back that pulling the trigger was not going to result in a dry fire.

Why would someone want to dry fire their pistol after inserting a loaded magazine?

 

[booker]

Why would someone want to dry fire their pistol after inserting a loaded magazine?

Not to mention, an unloaded magazine wouldn't have allowed the slide to go into battery without him first depressing the slide stop/release.

It could be that he was trying to dry fire, and the gun had a magazine/trigger disconnect? So he felt he had to insert a magazine, and instead of inserting an empty one, he inserted a source of ammunition.

 

[Norton]

Not to mention, I thought this gun was a revolver.......

Would be hard to insert a magazine into any revolver I've ever seen.

 

[Chasbo00]

Not to mention, an unloaded magazine wouldn't have allowed the slide to go into battery without him first depressing the slide stop/release.

It could be that he was trying to dry fire, and the gun had a magazine/trigger disconnect? So he felt he had to insert a magazine, and instead of inserting an empty one, he inserted a source of ammunition.

The press articles say he was attempting to reload his pistol when it fired unintentionally. This suggests to me that his pistol was not one he had just bought at the gun show, but rather one he was already carrying. He was required to unload it and have it "zip-tied" to get into the gun show. I seriously doubt he was trying to dry fire the pistol.

 

[swinokur]

From Eater National:

Thanksfully, a news release provided to WUSA from the police said: "She was transported to a local hospital with non-life threatening injuries." The Washington Times reported that "He had just left an event for which he had to unload his handgun." Bohn was arrested and charged with willfully discharging firearms in a public place. It is unclear if he manage

Sounds like he was at the gunshow.

http://eater.com/index.php?page=5