MSP 77r e-portal goes live 1-1-17

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  • 71Chevelle427

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 19, 2015
    3,296
    B'More County, Maryland
    You don't get copies of the 4473, the gun dealer keeps the the only copy that you fill out.

    Federal:

    4473 is the white paper you fill personal info in, Yes/No to a bunch of questions and open up and sign inside.


    Maryland:

    77r is yes/no with initials. Multiple pages of Pink

    The mental health is the other white one side piece of paper you fill personal info on.

    Like I said, "I" have not filled one of these out...they must do it, and I sign it...I looked on ATF site to see what it looked like.

    I see your point now, about 2 trips...maybe the same FFL's who have always filled mine out in the past, will still do it? Making only 1 trip needed?

    Regardless, I am picking a new gun Monday, and possibly another BEFORE 12/31, and then will sit back and watch the show. I want mine bought and home BEFORE 1/1/17 ;)
     

    swinokur

    In a State of Bliss
    Patriot Picket
    Apr 15, 2009
    55,325
    Westminster USA
    here is a copy for you
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    Mike OTDP

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 12, 2008
    3,309
    Hopefully, we've got a good legal team lined up for when this whole mess fails to work. Software is hard, and the state of Maryland has a very poor record with anything software-related.
     

    PapiBarcelona

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 1, 2011
    7,318
    Like I said, "I" have not filled one of these out...they must do it, and I sign it...I looked on ATF site to see what it looked like.

    I see your point now, about 2 trips...maybe the same FFL's who have always filled mine out in the past, will still do it? Making only 1 trip needed?

    Regardless, I am picking a new gun Monday, and possibly another BEFORE 12/31, and then will sit back and watch the show. I want mine bought and home BEFORE 1/1/17 ;)

    Not doubting you.

    It's kind of surprising to me. There's obviously a few places for the FFL to fill out info as the transferor but I wonder what's up with an FFL filing out all the buyers personal info and Yes/No questions?

    I mean the first Yes/No question on the 4473 is something like "Are you the actual buyer of this firearm(s) ....."

    If your FFL is answering it? Let me adjust my tinfoil a little.
     

    kalister1

    R.I.P.
    May 16, 2008
    4,814
    Pasadena Maryland
    If you go to a dealer who is willing to release according to Maryland law, this will have no effect on the buyer. After the mandatory waiting period has elapsed, go get your gun. If the MSP computer is locked up for a year, who cares?
     

    Pinecone

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 4, 2013
    28,175
    The block above the signature on the 4473 starts with:

    I certify that my answers to Section A are true, correct, and complete.

    If you did not answer the questions yourself, then you are lying by signing it.

    It goes on to say that making a false oral or written statement is a Federal felony.

    I REALLY hope you have been misremembering about filling out the 4473.
     

    w2kbr

    MSI EM, NRA LM, SAF, AAFG
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 13, 2009
    1,117
    Severn 21144
    So......I went back to OP's (Swinokur) posting of the MSP announcement. Seems to me that this whole thing is directed to FFL dealers only.
    They must provide their eMail address, etc etc. and I guess will be required to use the On-Line system to forward "Buyers" data.

    I see nothing about "buyers" account, or signing up, etc etc. I see that MSP will no longer accept hard copy paperwork for Background investigations.

    Guess I just don't see how this is going to work from a "Buyers" point of view.

    R
     
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    Minuteman

    Member
    BANNED!!!
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    Melnic

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 27, 2012
    15,173
    HoCo
    I have yet to see (or did I miss it) what is going to happen for individual transfers at an MSP barracks?
    Are they going to drag out a laptop?
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,466
    Socialist State of Maryland

    Jack McCauley

    Active Member
    Oct 16, 2014
    193
    This 77Re may take a while to understand. But it's not super complicated. The MSP invited me to one of their dealer training seminars recently. I was thoroughly impressed with the work that has gone into this. The buying of a handgun in Maryland is one of the most complicated puzzles I have ever seen. I asked a ton of questions. I was satisfied with every answer. This is not the typical database you would see from a state agency. It is up and ready to go now. The MSP delayed the start because they didn't want dealers to have to learn a new system while managing the usual increased Christmas sales. January was an easier time for the dealers. I think people will be generally happy with the finished product. Not everyone will like it. Yes, you the buyer, will need an email address. You will be able to create an online account. You the buyer will be able to check your account after the dealer has submitted the application and you can check the progress of the application. I see this as the step we need to rid those of the 7 day wait. If you already have an hql or you already own a firearm and the msp can do a check within 10 minutes after receipt of the application, then why would you need a "cooling off period?" The 9th circuit over turned a 10 day wait for the same thing. Also, federal law allows for a state with an HQl to waive the nics check. You could buy a gun with just an hql only if MD used this system to its full potential. But you would have to convince a legislature filled with Democrats to make that change. But it could save millions of dollars in manpower.


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    DC-W

    Ultimate Member
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 23, 2013
    25,290
    ️‍
    This 77Re may take a while to understand. But it's not super complicated. The MSP invited me to one of their dealer training seminars recently. I was thoroughly impressed with the work that has gone into this. The buying of a handgun in Maryland is one of the most complicated puzzles I have ever seen. I asked a ton of questions. I was satisfied with every answer. This is not the typical database you would see from a state agency. It is up and ready to go now. The MSP delayed the start because they didn't want dealers to have to learn a new system while managing the usual increased Christmas sales. January was an easier time for the dealers. I think people will be generally happy with the finished product. Not everyone will like it. Yes, you the buyer, will need an email address. You will be able to create an online account. You the buyer will be able to check your account after the dealer has submitted the application and you can check the progress of the application. I see this as the step we need to rid those of the 7 day wait. If you already have an hql or you already own a firearm and the msp can do a check within 10 minutes after receipt of the application, then why would you need a "cooling off period?" The 9th circuit over turned a 10 day wait for the same thing. Also, federal law allows for a state with an HQl to waive the nics check. You could buy a gun with just an hql only if MD used this system to its full potential. But you would have to convince a legislature filled with Democrats to make that change. But it could save millions of dollars in manpower.


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    You certainly know how to make lemonade, haha!

    Excellent post.
     

    Hit and Run

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 15, 2010
    1,435
    Prince Frederick
    So, this will effect anyone who will be buying a handgun or lower after 1 Jan 2017. Buyer will log into MSP web sight to start 77r. You provide info for the same parts of forms you fill out today. You will need a valid email address. Once you complete your part of form you will get a code emailed to you. You bring that code to FFL. FFL will open application and auto populate 77r form with pulled down info from your data (FFL will use that code you were emailed). FFL qa's answers and corrects some items if needed. Ex wrong choice in sales type... FFL adds in info on weapon being bought and other info FFL normally enters on 77r. FFL then turns computer over to you to pay $10.00 MSP fee. You will need a credit card for that or some arrangement with FFL if you don't have a credit card. FFL submits 77r electronically and if all goes well you pick up weapon after 7 day waiting period like normal

    Take aways:
    - buyer starts process online
    - buyer needs email address
    - buyer pays MSP 10.00 fee directly and then what ever FFL charges for transfer direct to FFL given buying situation.

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    Applehd

    Throbbing Member
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 26, 2012
    5,268
    I am just so happy that EVERYONE in Maryland has a credit card and a computer...:rolleyes:



    P.S... I think I used my maximum allotted amount of sarcasm for the week... on the above statement...:innocent0
     

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