MASSIVE WIN! Pelosi PULLS the Assault Weapons Ban! Due to a LACK of DEM votes…

[Allen65]

He did nothing wrong. He is an American hero

He was a self-centered camera hog who helped ruin many lives and made Americans distrust and hate each other. I don't know what talk radio or internet troll is pushing this historical revisionist meme right now, but they're as evil as antifa.

I hear Russians are trying to rehabilitate Stalin's reputation, too. Seems fitting, somehow, given Putin's proclivities.

 

[W2D]

All this discussion proves is that we have to constantly be on guard and never rest to protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic.

We have to elect representatives that protect our rights and continue to appoint rational judges.

Never give up.


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[Allen65]

All this discussion proves is that we have to constantly be on guard and never rest to protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic.

We have to elect representatives that protect our rights and continue to appoint rational judges.

Never give up.

Yup. And it's also important not to let others make us turn on each other for their benefit.

 

[lazarus]

The government persecuting people for their ideology protected by the 1A makes someone an American Hero?
McCarthy went way too far and is an example of how dangerous government can be. His actions are neither "American" nor are they heroic.

Spies are one thing, communists another thing entirely. I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.

This. And he absolutely led the charge on outing, ostracizing, and unemploying tens of thousands of Americans under the guise that they MIGHT be queer and thus in bed with the commies. Whether you agree with that or not (I'd hope not), even for the time period where being gay was not okay, many, many Americans got caught up in false accusations and lost their employment, houses, broken up families, etc.

 

[MDFF2008]

They just reinterpret the text and the history. Voila. No more legally protected individual right. Vermont’s high court actually did this recently two years ago, finding their RKBA equivalent more protects a collective right for service in a state militia. No text changed. Their constitution predates the American. Just a majority with a different attitude.

Vermont v. Misch

Defendant Max Misch was charged under 13 V.S.A. 4021(a) with two counts of unlawfully possessing a large-capacity magazine. This issue this appeal presented for the Vermont Supreme Court's review was whether Vermont’s ban on large- capacity magazines (LCMs) violated the right to bear arms under...

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Exactly. This is exactly what a future liberal SCOTUS can do, will do, and is planning to do with Heller and since all the other cases are built on the finding in Heller, it'll be like Roe vs Wade, only the text will still be in the COTUS, only interpreted a different way.

 

[Occam]

Exactly. This is exactly what a future liberal SCOTUS can do, will do, and is planning to do with Heller and since all the other cases are built on the finding in Heller, it'll be like Roe vs Wade, only the text will still be in the COTUS, only interpreted a different way.

Which is why WINNING a GOP caucus and executive is far, far more important than some purity test on every possible subject, or even one pet topic. We have to preserve the courts' adherence to the constitution, and not let more of them become mini legislatures dedicated to lefty ideals. Every single primary vote should be focused on whether that candidate can actually WIN in the general election. In the 2024 general election, I greatly fear that Republicans are going to commit fratricide by having the We Need To Win camp, and the Never Trumpers (or the equivalent, if he's not running) divided and wreck what should be a gimme for that office. The courts were the main reason to get Trump elected the first time, and the courts are front and center in 2024 (not to mention this November, when taking the Senate - which approves federal appointees - is vital).

We've had a great run with Heller -> Bruen. That was a fight. But the real fight is in keeping the results. Be practical, pragmatic, and willing to tolerate some personal and policy give and take to get our team, broadly, in a position to preserve the courts for another generation.

 

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

We've had a great run with Heller -> Bruen. That was a fight. But the real fight is in keeping the results. Be practical, pragmatic, and willing to tolerate some personal and policy give and take to get our team, broadly, in a position to preserve the courts for another generation.

Posilutely and absotively! Just because we won on the merits and the Constitution doesn't mean the Dems nd other antis are going to roll over and accept the decision. They are viewing this as a challenge...not just because they disagree with it but because their goal is control...governmental control over us...the culture...the media...everything. And freedom and liberty doesn't figure into that.

 

[Doctor_M]

All this discussion proves is that we have to constantly be on guard and never rest to protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic.

We have to elect representatives that protect our rights and continue to appoint rational judges.

Never give up.


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Never Give Up... Never Surrender... Commander Peter Quincy Taggart, approves.

 

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

Never Give Up... Never Surrender... Commander Peter Quincy Taggart, approves.

Thats what the Democrats do...play the long game...and expect to eventually win. The GOP plays short ball...never look beyond tomorrow and relax when they get a win...forgetting the Dems are always plotting. The COTUS and rules are nothing but a speed bump to them in getting their agenda.

 

[TheLizardKing]

He was a self-centered camera hog who helped ruin many lives and made Americans distrust and hate each other. I don't know what talk radio or internet troll is pushing this historical revisionist meme right now, but they're as evil as antifa.

I hear Russians are trying to rehabilitate Stalin's reputation, too. Seems fitting, somehow, given Putin's proclivities.

Revisionism? The Venona Papers vindicated him. Essentially everyone he accused was later confirmed to be spies and or communists. The media had already been compromised by that time and they used their power to smear and demonize any attempt at challenging their power. They invented and successfully used the term "McCarthyism" as a way to denigrate and delegitimize any person who called that out. It was one of the first major victories for the communists in the culture war in this country.

"as evil as antifa"
Antifa wouldn't even be a thing if we had listened to 'ol Joe. They certainly would not have the support of mainstream democrats, hell, even the vice president. McCarthy was correct about communist and un-american actors in our government, and it's only gotten much, much worse since then.

This. And he absolutely led the charge on outing, ostracizing, and unemploying tens of thousands of Americans under the guise that they MIGHT be queer and thus in bed with the commies. Whether you agree with that or not (I'd hope not), even for the time period where being gay was not okay, many, many Americans got caught up in false accusations and lost their employment, houses, broken up families, etc.

He was vindicated by the venona papers and other declassified reports released in the 1990's. Look at how communists and radical leftists have infiltrated every aspect of society from the schools to the media. We're at a point now where they have drag queen story hours in elementary schools and parents that challenge that are deemed domestic terrorists by the attorney general of the united states. Statues of the founding fathers are being torn down and celebrated by democrat members of congress. Schools are teaching kids to hate America and hate their heritage. Like him or hate him, history has proven him right

 

[adit]

Have you ever looked at a thread title and said WTF???

 

[lazarus]

Revisionism? The Venona Papers vindicated him. Essentially everyone he accused was later confirmed to be spies and or communists. The media had already been compromised by that time and they used their power to smear and demonize any attempt at challenging their power. They invented and successfully used the term "McCarthyism" as a way to denigrate and delegitimize any person who called that out. It was one of the first major victories for the communists in the culture war in this country.

"as evil as antifa"
Antifa wouldn't even be a thing if we had listened to 'ol Joe. They certainly would not have the support of mainstream democrats, hell, even the vice president. McCarthy was correct about communist and un-american actors in our government, and it's only gotten much, much worse since then.

He was vindicated by the venona papers and other declassified reports released in the 1990's. Look at how communists and radical leftists have infiltrated every aspect of society from the schools to the media. We're at a point now where they have drag queen story hours in elementary schools and parents that challenge that are deemed domestic terrorists by the attorney general of the united states. Statues of the founding fathers are being torn down and celebrated by democrat members of congress. Schools are teaching kids to hate America and hate their heritage. Like him or hate him, history has proven him right

Oh, right. All the commies and socialists. Are lizard people also running the government?

Anyway, no, the Venona papers did not exonerate or prove McCarthy right.

He was a fraud through and through. An extract of part of the summary refused if analysis of the Verona papers.

“
Soviet spying was real, of course, but McCarthy's bid to root it out was largely a fraud and a hoax. The best measure of how many actual spies McCarthy turned up lay buried in the 5,000 pages of decoded Soviet intelligence cables that were intercepted by the Venona Project, a supersecret U.S. counterintelligence project launched in 1943. Parsing those messages, officials uncovered evidence that hundreds of Americans were helping the Russians steal information, from atomic secrets to diplomatic strategies. Historian John Haynes carefully cross-checked the 159 people McCarthy named between 1950 and 1952 as communists, spies or other actors in the grand conspiracy. Venona files confirmed seven as having been involved in espionage. Another two, Haynes found, were named as spies in the KGB archives, and a 10th was what he called an "ambiguous case."

And even in those instances, many already were well-known to security officials; few got special grilling or follow-up from the senator. "When McCarthy was right, he was not original and was only repeating charges made years earlier by others," Haynes wrote, in an email to another scholar. "When he was original, he was wrong."

 

[lazarus]

Revisionism? The Venona Papers vindicated him. Essentially everyone he accused was later confirmed to be spies and or communists. The media had already been compromised by that time and they used their power to smear and demonize any attempt at challenging their power. They invented and successfully used the term "McCarthyism" as a way to denigrate and delegitimize any person who called that out. It was one of the first major victories for the communists in the culture war in this country.

"as evil as antifa"
Antifa wouldn't even be a thing if we had listened to 'ol Joe. They certainly would not have the support of mainstream democrats, hell, even the vice president. McCarthy was correct about communist and un-american actors in our government, and it's only gotten much, much worse since then.

He was vindicated by the venona papers and other declassified reports released in the 1990's. Look at how communists and radical leftists have infiltrated every aspect of society from the schools to the media. We're at a point now where they have drag queen story hours in elementary schools and parents that challenge that are deemed domestic terrorists by the attorney general of the united states. Statues of the founding fathers are being torn down and celebrated by democrat members of congress. Schools are teaching kids to hate America and hate their heritage. Like him or hate him, history has proven him right

Huh? No. McCrathy was a fraud and analysi of the Vernona papers and later the OGB archives proved that out.

Soviet spying was real, of course, but McCarthy's bid to root it out was largely a fraud and a hoax. The best measure of how many actual spies McCarthy turned up lay buried in the 5,000 pages of decoded Soviet intelligence cables that were intercepted by the Venona Project, a supersecret U.S. counterintelligence project launched in 1943. Parsing those messages, officials uncovered evidence that hundreds of Americans were helping the Russians steal information, from atomic secrets to diplomatic strategies. Historian John Haynes carefully cross-checked the 159 people McCarthy named between 1950 and 1952 as communists, spies or other actors in the grand conspiracy. Venona files confirmed seven as having been involved in espionage. Another two, Haynes found, were named as spies in the KGB archives, and a 10th was what he called an "ambiguous case."

And even in those instances, many already were well-known to security officials; few got special grilling or follow-up from the senator. "When McCarthy was right, he was not original and was only repeating charges made years earlier by others," Haynes wrote, in an email to another scholar. "When he was original, he was wrong."

Separately that was a drag queen story hour at a local library. And yeah a bunch of proud boys white supremacists showed up. They are a classified as a domestic terrorist group. They it interrupted it by screaming homophobic and transphobic slurs in to parents faces, at the librarians, etc.

 

[TheLizardKing]

Wow. The Jeff Bezos owned far left communist Washington Post says McCarthy was a fraud. Guess that settles it! Surely they wouldn't have a bias or a reason to say such things...

The proud boys are not white supremacists. They are ran by a brown man named Enrique. The interruption you are referring to was a drag queen story hour hosted by an actual pedophile where they broke it up by informing the parents in attendance that the drag queen reading to their kids was on tape talking about wanting to be sexual with kids. The entire encounter is also on video so you can see for yourself how disingenuous you are being in your description. Also, these drag queen events are not limited to libraries. They are hosted in elementary schools and even churches. The more time goes by, the more vindicated Joe becomes. One cannot deny the overwhelming amount of anti-american sentiment currently in media, schools and democrat politics.

 

[lazarus]

Wow. The Jeff Bezos owned far left communist Washington Post says McCarthy was a fraud. Guess that settles it! Surely they wouldn't have a bias or a reason to say such things...

The proud boys are not white supremacists. They are ran by a brown man named Enrique. The interruption you are referring to was a drag queen story hour hosted by an actual pedophile where they broke it up by informing the parents in attendance that the drag queen reading to their kids was on tape talking about wanting to be sexual with kids. The entire encounter is also on video so you can see for yourself how disingenuous you are being in your description. Also, these drag queen events are not limited to libraries. They are hosted in elementary schools and even churches. The more time goes by, the more vindicated Joe becomes. One cannot deny the overwhelming amount of anti-american sentiment currently in media, schools and democrat politics.

Huh? I didn’t pull that quote from WaPo.

Also Professor Klehr was one of several who actually did the analysis on McCarthy’s accusations.

9 out of 156. With one more possible. All previously known of. All of McCarthy’s new accusations were wrong. Every one.

The fact that he was some “hero” is a narrative pushed by some far right Texas Evangelicals circa mid late 2000s who started pushing for Texas to re-write school history text books re-writing the communist witch hunts and McCarthy to “vindicate” him and that he was absolutely right and it was a communist and socialist conspiracy to undermine him, get him canned and try to claim all of the communist pinkos were nothing of the sort.

To hide all of the communist pinkos that have been subverting our society for decades.

One giant and totally debunked conspiracy theory.

 

[TheLizardKing]

Oh, right. All the commies and socialists. Are lizard people also running the government?

Anyway, no, the Venona papers did not exonerate or prove McCarthy right.

He was a fraud through and through. An extract of part of the summary refused if analysis of the Verona papers.

“
Soviet spying was real, of course, but McCarthy's bid to root it out was largely a fraud and a hoax. The best measure of how many actual spies McCarthy turned up lay buried in the 5,000 pages of decoded Soviet intelligence cables that were intercepted by the Venona Project, a supersecret U.S. counterintelligence project launched in 1943. Parsing those messages, officials uncovered evidence that hundreds of Americans were helping the Russians steal information, from atomic secrets to diplomatic strategies. Historian John Haynes carefully cross-checked the 159 people McCarthy named between 1950 and 1952 as communists, spies or other actors in the grand conspiracy. Venona files confirmed seven as having been involved in espionage. Another two, Haynes found, were named as spies in the KGB archives, and a 10th was what he called an "ambiguous case."

And even in those instances, many already were well-known to security officials; few got special grilling or follow-up from the senator. "When McCarthy was right, he was not original and was only repeating charges made years earlier by others," Haynes wrote, in an email to another scholar. "When he was original, he was wrong."

Didn't pull from WaPo, eh? That is 2 paragraphs, word for word, pulled from this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-mccarthyism-joe-mccarthy/2020/07/17/7f063970-c77c-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html

Communist pinkos HAVE been subverting our society for decades, it's not a conspiracy theory. They openly brag about it.
Kinda funny that all these so called "conspiracy theorists" have been overwhelmingly proven right lately...

Here's a joke for you: What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?......About 6 months

 

[DC-W]

Mercifully, nothing McCarthy did would be constitutional under modern 1A jurisprudence and arguing about him in 2022 is meaningless.

 

[Bob A]

Mercifully, nothing McCarthy did would be constitutional under modern 1A jurisprudence and arguing about him in 2022 is meaningless.

I remember the HUAC hearings in the 1950s. They were as much of a travesty as the Jan 6 "Insurrection" hearings today.

Same bucket of warm sh!t, different party. America survived the far-Right, it may well survive the far-Left.Ruining peoples' lives, destroying their livelihoods, chest-thumping asshats in metaphysical jackboots strutting on the stage jacking people up with their ******** claims to spread fear and garner votes. An easy 75% of all politicians are scoundrels. These days, no one but (other) dirtbags on the make would want to hobnob with most of them.

 

[Art3]

Have you ever looked at a thread title and said WTF???

Every damn time this one shows up

 

[lazarus]

Didn't pull from WaPo, eh? That is 2 paragraphs, word for word, pulled from this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-mccarthyism-joe-mccarthy/2020/07/17/7f063970-c77c-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html

Communist pinkos HAVE been subverting our society for decades, it's not a conspiracy theory. They openly brag about it.
Kinda funny that all these so called "conspiracy theorists" have been overwhelmingly proven right lately...

Here's a joke for you: What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?......About 6 months

Actually I pulled it from an Anchorage newspaper website. Same place WaPo got it from, the author. It wasn’t written for WaPo.

As for the analysis of McCarthy…it’s still spot on.