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I have no doubt that a true GI Spec 1911 can go toe to toe with today's best modern pistols (any 1911 I mention in this post refers to true GI Spec or customized 1911’s with quality parts, NOT mass produced POS’s). However, I don't think it's as simple as Trbon8r's apparent (to me) platform that a 1911 is the end all, be all of handguns. And I think his assertion that 10 rounds vs 15 rounds in a combat pistol is a moot point is absurd. However, I do have to say that he definitely has more experience than I do with probably ALL types of handguns, and I definitely respect his and Clandestine’s opinions. BUT, you will never be able to convince me that 8, 9, or 10 rounds in a secondary firearm is just as good as 12, 13, 14, or 15. In battle, if I’m relying on ANY firearm, be it my primary or secondary, I want as many rounds as possible. Period.
Also, sure, taking down and cleaning a 1911 isn't hard, but I can do it on my GLOCK a helluva lot faster. I think that would be true for 95% of gun owners, not to mention military who may not be as familiar with a firearm. You can't tell me the 1911 is the best in this area, either. Not as big of an issue to me as capacity, but still a factor.
I think simply the fact that it doesn’t have as much capacity renders it less capable than a more modern, higher capacity gun. Just stating my opinion and, like I said, I can’t argue reliability with the more experienced gun owners. So I’m not trying to. But if you tell me you’d rather have a 1911 than a proven modern handgun with high capacity, then I say you are a fool. You can give me that “you should be able to hit your target” nonsense all you want, but if we both have 11 targets to hit, and we both hit each target on the first shot, guess what… you have to reload and I have 3 rounds to spare. I think it’s as simple as that.
I don’t mean this to be argumentative or put down any gun or person. I like both 1911’s and modern handguns, polymer and not, and think it’s been proven that BOTH can be more reliable than anyone would need them to be. I also like Trbon8r and Clandestine, and respect their opinions and knowledge. I don't think reliability is the issue. I also don't think that a 1911 isn't "good" enough. I LOVE 1911's, and as a gun enthusiest, I think they're my favorite handgun overall. But for modern combat, I just don't think it's the best gun suited for the job. And I don't understand why that has to read "1911's suck and if you like them then you have a small penis."
All that said, Chad, I would interested in your response to this question: Based on your previous post, you obviously believe that 1911’s are not handicapped verses any modern gun as far as reliability is concerned, but I know that you don’t carry one (don’t you carry and HK?). I’d be interested in hearing why? (For no other reason than I value your opinion.)
Also, sure, taking down and cleaning a 1911 isn't hard, but I can do it on my GLOCK a helluva lot faster. I think that would be true for 95% of gun owners, not to mention military who may not be as familiar with a firearm. You can't tell me the 1911 is the best in this area, either. Not as big of an issue to me as capacity, but still a factor.
I think simply the fact that it doesn’t have as much capacity renders it less capable than a more modern, higher capacity gun. Just stating my opinion and, like I said, I can’t argue reliability with the more experienced gun owners. So I’m not trying to. But if you tell me you’d rather have a 1911 than a proven modern handgun with high capacity, then I say you are a fool. You can give me that “you should be able to hit your target” nonsense all you want, but if we both have 11 targets to hit, and we both hit each target on the first shot, guess what… you have to reload and I have 3 rounds to spare. I think it’s as simple as that.
I don’t mean this to be argumentative or put down any gun or person. I like both 1911’s and modern handguns, polymer and not, and think it’s been proven that BOTH can be more reliable than anyone would need them to be. I also like Trbon8r and Clandestine, and respect their opinions and knowledge. I don't think reliability is the issue. I also don't think that a 1911 isn't "good" enough. I LOVE 1911's, and as a gun enthusiest, I think they're my favorite handgun overall. But for modern combat, I just don't think it's the best gun suited for the job. And I don't understand why that has to read "1911's suck and if you like them then you have a small penis."
All that said, Chad, I would interested in your response to this question: Based on your previous post, you obviously believe that 1911’s are not handicapped verses any modern gun as far as reliability is concerned, but I know that you don’t carry one (don’t you carry and HK?). I’d be interested in hearing why? (For no other reason than I value your opinion.)