M-T Headed for defeat (or: heads up O'Malley your career is over)

[danb]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...chin-toomey-gun-compromise-headed-for-defeat/

O'Malley is so far to the left he makes Obama look like a republican. I will enjoy seeing delegates and senators who rubber stamped his agenda being sent to defeat in 2014.

(of course they may broker a last-minute change to the bill but it does not seem likely).

 

[31bv5]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...chin-toomey-gun-compromise-headed-for-defeat/

O'Malley is so far to the left he makes Obama look like a republican. I will enjoy seeing delegates and senators who rubber stamped his agenda being sent to defeat in 2014.

(of course they may broker a last-minute change to the bill but it does not seem likely).

Good

 

[Brooklyn]

Good

So that leaves the original bill. I lost track. Is that good?

 

[2AHokie]

So that leaves the original bill. I lost track. Is that good?

I believe the original bill has less support than this amendment. So without this amendment, the overall chance of passage is lower.

 

[Mooseman]

I hope it is headed for defeat.

 

[fabsroman]

This amendment was about the only thing that might have passed. The assault weapon ban is another amendment to the bill that is DOA with less support than the universal background checks. The assault weapon ban could not even get 40 votes so it could be heard on the floor.

I've said this before, but I will say it again. I am in favor of a universal background IF, AND ONLY IF, there is additional stipulations regarding NO REGISTRY and NO PAPERWORK BEYOND 5 years of purchase. Anybody violating either aspect of this would get 5 years mandatory, regardless of whether a government employee or not. That is about the only way I would support universal background checks.

 

[splfd]

From the article:
“I commend Sens. Manchin and Toomey for working so hard to bring a serious bill to the floor,” Heitkamp said. “However, in its current form I do not see a path for my support. I’ve thought long and hard about this, I’ve taken the tough meetings, and I’ve heard overwhelmingly from the people of North Dakota; and at the end of the day my duty is to listen to and represent the people of North Dakota.”

That last sentence is everything. The way the system is supposed to work, unlike what many of our representatives did to us. I have to be honest with you guys, I can't wait until 2014.

 

[squirrels]

From the article:
“I commend Sens. Manchin and Toomey for working so hard to bring a serious bill to the floor,” Heitkamp said. “However, in its current form I do not see a path for my support. I’ve thought long and hard about this, I’ve taken the tough meetings, and I’ve heard overwhelmingly from the people of North Dakota; and at the end of the day my duty is to listen to and represent the people of North Dakota.”

That last sentence is everything. The way the system is supposed to work, unlike what many of our representatives did to us. I have to be honest with you guys, I can't wait until 2014.

About time one of these politicians "gets it".

 

[6pack]

I think I'll send Heitkamp an email of thanks for understanding her duty...

 

[MDNavyVet]

It would have been even better to have Senator Heitkamp say that her duty was to listen to and represent the people of North Dakota as well as support the United States Constitution that she swore an oath to do.

 

[ddeanjohnson]

There will be many additional amendments offered to the base gun-control bill, S. 649, before this is over.

 

[hilpala]

Good ol McCain....still undecided. Funny.

 

[Brooklyn]

Good ol McCain....still undecided. Funny.

Uncle Maverick needs to go. He is waiting to see if he can vote no and still have it pass. It if it will fail anyway so he can vote no.


The NRA needs to stop backing wishy washy incumbents.

Are you listening NRA.?

 

[Robert]

Burn it down to the ground.

 

[dblas]

From the article:
“I commend Sens. Manchin and Toomey for working so hard to bring a serious bill to the floor,” Heitkamp said. “However, in its current form I do not see a path for my support. I’ve thought long and hard about this, I’ve taken the tough meetings, and I’ve heard overwhelmingly from the people of North Dakota; and at the end of the day my duty is to listen to and represent the people of North Dakota.”

That last sentence is everything. The way the system is supposed to work, unlike what many of our representatives did to us. I have to be honest with you guys, I can't wait until 2014.

Just playing devil's advocate, have you asked your Delegates and Senator for the numbers for and against SB281 in your district?

I did and I got numbers from 2 of my 3 Delegates and my Senator is going to go back and get them for me.

The numbers for District 21 are posted here: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=112922

The numbers from the district, while not that many, were in favor of the bill.

Can you say the same for your district and prove it?

 

[fabsroman]

Just playing devil's advocate, have you asked your Delegates and Senator for the numbers for and against SB281 in your district?

I did and I got numbers from 2 of my 3 Delegates and my Senator is going to go back and get them for me.

The numbers for District 21 are posted here: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=112922

The numbers from the district, while not that many, were in favor of the bill.

Can you say the same for your district and prove it?

I don't need to look at the numbers for my district. All of district 9A were against SB281. Sure, I can prove it just by linking to the votes on SB281, but I'll leave that to you to confirm.

Senator Allen Kittleman - Opposed
Delegate Warren Miller - Opposed
Delegate Gail Bates - Opposed

I wrote them back in January and they all told me they were going to oppose SB281.

Now, what can we do to get those in YOUR district that voted for it, out of office come 2014? I am being serious here.

Also, do you know if anybody in your district was "allowed" to vote opposed because they were in a close district? That is, the "machine" allowed them to vote opposed so they could protect their seat for when their vote is really needed on something in the future.

I think figuring out who was allowed to vote opposed and which candidates are on shaky ground right now after voting for SB281 is our primary objective so we can focus on getting them out of office.

 

[MJD438]

I don't need to look at the numbers for my district. All of district 9A were against SB281. Sure, I can prove it just by linking to the votes on SB281, but I'll leave that to you to confirm.

Senator Allen Kittleman - Opposed
Delegate Warren Miller - Opposed
Delegate Gail Bates - Opposed

I wrote them back in January and they all told me they were going to oppose SB281.

Now, what can we do to get those in YOUR district that voted for it, out of office come 2014? I am being serious here.

Also, do you know if anybody in your district was "allowed" to vote opposed because they were in a close district? That is, the "machine" allowed them to vote opposed so they could protect their seat for when their vote is really needed on something in the future.

I think figuring out who was allowed to vote opposed and which candidates are on shaky ground right now after voting for SB281 is our primary objective so we can focus on getting them out of office.

I am in the same district and did ask the offices about their constituent contacts:

Bates' office has not compiled the numbers completely as of yet; her staff stated (both in person and via email) that she received over 1000 contacts and her staff can only recall 10 in support of the bill.

Kittleman's office states 1465 opposed/119 supporting.

 

[dblas]

I don't need to look at the numbers for my district. All of district 9A were against SB281. Sure, I can prove it just by linking to the votes on SB281, but I'll leave that to you to confirm.

Senator Allen Kittleman - Opposed
Delegate Warren Miller - Opposed
Delegate Gail Bates - Opposed

I wrote them back in January and they all told me they were going to oppose SB281.

Now, what can we do to get those in YOUR district that voted for it, out of office come 2014? I am being serious here.

Also, do you know if anybody in your district was "allowed" to vote opposed because they were in a close district? That is, the "machine" allowed them to vote opposed so they could protect their seat for when their vote is really needed on something in the future.

I think figuring out who was allowed to vote opposed and which candidates are on shaky ground right now after voting for SB281 is our primary objective so we can focus on getting them out of office.

Good for you and your district.

Nope, all 3 Delegates and my Senator voted for the bill, and the way the "majority' of those that contacted them wanted them to vote. So they represented the will of their district.

As for who voted how, is easy, look up the votes on the amendments and then the bill, those that voted with the majority on amendments and then voted against the bill had permission to change their vote and should be removed.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

Good for you and your district.

Nope, all 3 Delegates and my Senator voted for the bill, and the way the "majority' of those that contacted them wanted them to vote. So they represented the will of their district.

As for who voted how, is easy, look up the votes on the amendments and then the bill, those that voted with the majority on amendments and then voted against the bill had permission to change their vote and should be removed.

Hey dblas, fabrosman and I are from 9A, satisfied with our representatives. I think what he's asking and I have been asking is: how can we help the other districts efforts to make it clear that voting against the COTUS will not be tolerated?

*** Bombing - bomber blamed. Shooting - gun blamed. Benghazi - nobody blamed. ***

 

[fabsroman]

Good for you and your district.

Nope, all 3 Delegates and my Senator voted for the bill, and the way the "majority' of those that contacted them wanted them to vote. So they represented the will of their district.

As for who voted how, is easy, look up the votes on the amendments and then the bill, those that voted with the majority on amendments and then voted against the bill had permission to change their vote and should be removed.

Wow, all of less than 100 people had contacted their delegates in District 21 as of March 25th. That is INSANE. Do people in District 21 care that little about politics, or is it that they just cared that little about SB281?