Lower transferred as HBAR rifle.

[danb]

No stripped lower in MD is cash and carry.

No HQL is required for a stripped lower because it's not a handgun. It's defined as a firearm.

But after you purchase it, you can use that to exempt yourself from the HQL training requirement.

I thought that the MSP recently decided that a lower that takes Glock mags (ie dedicated 9mm) will be treated like you are buying a pistol, hql required. Pistol rules.

 

[swinokur]

The OP was about HBAR rifle not a 9 mm lower. Apples and oranges

 

[danb]

The OP was about HBAR rifle not a 9 mm lower. Apples and oranges

true- my point was "stripped lower" is not specific enough. the FFL is getting a do-over so its moot. But my point was that people assume "stripped lower" means standard 5.56 AR15. But, there are stripped lowers that take proprietary or dedicated mags, or are milled differently and not really interchangeable with Colt AR15 upper (proprietary upper). If its a standard 5.56x45 mag, its 77r. probably. If its a 9mm or 7.62 magwell, or milled differently, different rules apply. Some stripped lowers could be cash and carry and no HBAR needed. Others could be HQL.

 

[clingy]

If there are FFLs out there transferring lowers without the 77r (there are), let’s not let MSP know who they are please. Thanks!

 

[danb]

Thanks to this thread, I have zero doubt auditors have a case of latex gloves being delivered Amazon Prime.

 

[cessnapilot]

I thought an AR10 type lower was cash and carry?

A friend of a friend may have recently purchased a PA-10 complete lower from a unnamed MD FFL without a 77r.

 

[rseymorejr]

I thought an AR10 type lower was cash and carry?

A friend of a friend may have recently purchased a PA-10 complete lower from a unnamed MD FFL without a 77r.

They are

 

[mrgnstrn]

I don't think I was the first one to notice it.

Actually, I think I may have been one of the first...

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3496794&postcount=19

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[swinokur]

Indeed. There were discussions about the topic like yours so I was definitely not the first. OR even second or even the third

very shrewd no matter who pointed it out.

 

[DC-W]

Look at all of the guests watching...

Replace ATF with MSP

 

[clandestine]

I fixed it better...

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

Some folks just got a malignant self destruct gene...

 

[tony7815]

223 Wylde or 7.62x39 upper

If I build an 80% lower and want to put either a 223 Wylde or 7.62x39 upper on it, do the uppers have to be HBAR (heavy profile barrel)?

 

[whistlersmother]

If I build an 80% lower and want to put either a 223 Wylde or 7.62x39 upper on it, do the uppers have to be HBAR (heavy profile barrel)?

My understanding is 223/556 must be HBAR, but other calibers do not.

Your 223 Wylde would need to be HBAR, but the 7.62x39 would not.

Maryland logic...

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[NateIU10]

Show me a law that says a receiver (any type) is a regulated firearm and I'll buy you a beer.

 

[swinokur]

Tell that to MSP please.

 

[outrider58]

Wouldn't an 80% still be considered "copycat"?

 

[swinokur]

An 80% lower is not a center fire rifle as defined in the statute.

 

[outrider58]

An 80% lower is not a center fire rifle as defined in the statute.

I guess what I should have asked, Isn't a .223/5.56 rifle built on an 80% lower still a "copycat" and be required to have a heavy barrel if built after 2013 ban?

 

[swinokur]

IANAL but I'd say yes if built after 10-1-13. maybe Nate can weigh in.