Is Horst & McCann Really That Bad

[PapiBarcelona]

I've been there a few times since their opening. I don't need much to be happy, but does anyone else notice their range is a bit dilapidated? My most recent visit was year and a half or longer.

That sucks about the employees, the brief times I've stopped in I always recognized the same people who worked there.

 

[gaskg]

I shoot there quite often. Staff is always friendly. I never buy ammo from any range, it is all overpriced. Their facilities seem fine to me. My favorite indoor range.

 

[Second Amendment]

I've been there a few times since their opening. I don't need much to be happy, but does anyone else notice their range is a bit dilapidated? My most recent visit was year and a half or longer.

That sucks about the employees, the brief times I've stopped in I always recognized the same people who worked there.

When they took it over after Gunpowder Indoor Range went under, H&M did a good makeover on the building, but the mechanics inside the range stayed the same and/or were rebuilt.

As far as the employee turnover, that may have something to do with the owner.

 

[PapiBarcelona]

Yeah, I remember how nice it looked during the opening from the vacant Gunpowder.

Maybe it was a bad week, but the last time I stepped foot in there I was surprised how disrepair the place had gotten. Without spewing internet complaints too much I think at least the bullet hole through the center of the shooting lanes table could have been repaired.

 

[Vendicator]

I went to Freedom Armory for the first time last night. I liked their range a lot more than H&M, however H&M is closer to me. So, I think my range time will be split between the two.

*Edit - Said Freestate, meant Freedom.

 

[teratos]

I shoot there from time to time. I have never had any complaints about the staff or service. It is close to home, too.

 

[virtus]

Seems like everything has been covered. I decided to go elsewhere with the old ammo policies in place at Horst and will continue to do so. With that said, I did think the staff was a friendly bunch. The whole "health issue" thing gets me though....

 

[Trbo6gn]

Ammo prices are ridiculous. I used to shoot there a couple times a week. Won't be doing that anymore.

 

[DB Nswinger]

I have shot there in the past and the place seemed like it was in shambles. Their reloads are horrible and do a good job of gunking up my firarms. I had to take my Ed brown 1911 to a gunsmith in HDG for repair after shooting there once. I prefer freestate.

 

[Second Amendment]

Do they read any of these posts?

It's funny, I've seen three other ranges in the area respond to the posts on this site. I don't think I've ever seen H&M ever chime in to defend themselves or respond to compliments.

 

[Trbo6gn]

It's funny, I've seen three other ranges in the area respond to the posts on this site. I don't think I've ever seen H&M ever chime in to defend themselves or respond to compliments.

Because how can you defend against the God's Honest truth.

 

[annihilation-time]

Because how can you defend against the God's Honest truth.

You say that, but Select Fire does it.

 

[ColonelHurtz]

You say that, but Select Fire does it.

I'll have to hunt through some old posts and try and find that.

I never tire of bad-mouthing Select Fire.
I moved to Ferndale and was excited to have a range 10 minutes from my house.
Those guys ****ed with me right through the door and I shot once and never went back.
That was ten years ago and I still disparage them at every opportunity.

 

[krashmania]

It's funny, I've seen three other ranges in the area respond to the posts on this site. I don't think I've ever seen H&M ever chime in to defend themselves or respond to compliments.

I personally think it's good business sense, as we have all seen some employees of certain ranges lose their tempers and only hurt the situation for the business.

 

[annihilation-time]

I'll have to hunt through some old posts and try and find that.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=60276

 

[Kharn]

I've been a member there for three years. The only things I've ever bought in the store besides targets were two suppressors, so I could shoot them every week until the forms came back and I could take them home. They charged me MSRP, but it was worth the extra (probably only $100 each vs what I could have gotten at the other SOTs in the county at the time) to get the 3-4 months of use out of them.

The range is a bit run down, there's even an entire second range that they don't have the money to fix up that they're using for storage and making the reloads, its the door at the end of the hallway to the range. I think the primary range is 25m, the other is ~20m. But for $300/year for unlimited range time I'm willing to put up with a horrible paint job.

 

[TaxMan]

I hope I did not pick too hot a topic for my 1st post, but......
For less than $300/year you can have "new paint" at the Free State Gun Range.
I have been to all the mentioned ranges mentioned on MD shooters forum, they
all provide the basic service shooters require. Some are better than others. My
opinion is that there is a better value for your money at FSGR. More so, if you
live close to them. I visited them both last Sunday. H&M came in second, for
many reasons previously discussed here. The FSGR gunsmith helped me on a
seconds notice, and at no charge. The owner gave me a tour, etc. Conclusion is,
a H&M membership will loose to a $250 membership from FSG.>

 

[Not_Disapproved]

Freedom Armory

I took a NRA class at H&M and I had no problems and the range looked OK to me. Everybody I dealt with was exceedingly nice, so much that they forgot to charge me. I had to mail a check later, but that's as much my fault as anybody's.

Freedom Armory in Glen Rock, PA, is expensive for a membership, but they pretty much let you do want you like within reason. Occasionally, they've killer deals on Remington UMC 9mm and 45 ACP. They were selling a box of 9mm for $10.25, when everyone else was $12 AND up. They are staffed by primarily rural PA law enforcement retirees and they are religious, but if you keep the expletives to a minimum and don't conduct any pagan sacrifices in your lane, you'll be ok.

 

[Mason-Dixon Baseball]

I've been a member there for three years. The only things I've ever bought in the store besides targets were two suppressors, so I could shoot them every week until the forms came back and I could take them home. They charged me MSRP, but it was worth the extra (probably only $100 each vs what I could have gotten at the other SOTs in the county at the time) to get the 3-4 months of use out of them.

The range is a bit run down, there's even an entire second range that they don't have the money to fix up that they're using for storage and making the reloads, its the door at the end of the hallway to the range. I think the primary range is 25m, the other is ~20m. But for $300/year for unlimited range time I'm willing to put up with a horrible paint job.

Think about joining Delta $55 a year and the place is NEVER crowded! Half the times I go up I'm the only person there-- the othe other half it's people I know shooting--- so you can't go wrong... No one rushes you or watches the clock while you shoot... 25 yd pistol range and 100 yd rifle range--- Not indoors but both have nice covered roofs over the firing lines.... I just hate shooting indoors....

H & M has never "wronged" me, but if they spent that littlest of time trying to be a bit more friendly or helpful, their business would blossom...

 

[LoneRanger]

I have not been to H&M since Free State opened but I never had a bad experience at H&M. The only criticism would be filling out the same paper work every time I went in. Seems to me that should be computerized.